Any family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples ...
It's always interesting to follow the branches....
Sunday, March 5, 2017
Anastasia Romanov
So I'm watching The Young Victoria and I know that I'm (and the Day side of the family) related to basically ALL the British royal line either directly or indirectly (cousins) ... from House of Normandy on (King William I The Conqueror (1066 - 1087)) .... so I thought - I'm gonna look up something about Victoria and I got a super big thrill.
I have always been extremely fascinated with the story of Anastasia. Who? The Russian Tsar's family that was murdered, with the rumor of young Anastasia possibly escaping somehow .. (which was actually proven wrong a few years ago - DNA evidence showed that she was also murdered along with her family.) ANYWAY ...
Nikolai Aleksandrovich Romanov (Nicolas II was the last tsar of Russia under Romanov rule) and his wife Princess Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt (more commonly known as Alexandra) ... they had five children, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and their son Alexei.
"Nicholas II and his family were murdered by Bolsheviks under Vladimir Lenin, in Yekaterinburg, Russia, thus ending more than three centuries of the Romanov dynasty’s rule."
It's been a rumor - through the years since the murders in 1918 - that Anastasia may have escaped - she was nearly twenty years old. Through the years there have been many movies made that has theatrically explored this theory - a young Anastasia, not knowing who she is, discovers who she is... and the story has always fascinated me. So when they discovered the DNA - it was actually a bit heartbreaking as I really wanted her to have survived.
Anyway - doing this research I discovered this......
"Victoria and Albert had four sons, five daughters and 42 grandchildren who were married to royalty across Europe making her the ‘grandmother of Europe’. Her daughter Victoria was mother of the German Emperor Kaiser Wilhelm II, and her grand-daughter Alexandria was the wife of Nicholas II Emperor and last Tzar of Russia."
And I squealed like a little girl who just got a kitty for the first time after asking for years!
Cuz I'm a genealogy fangirl like that. Especially when it's my own.
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Monday, April 18, 2016
Seven Years War (French and Indian War)
Tonight - I was watching WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ........
Let's face it, it has and always will be one of my favorite shows, it continues to make me WANT to find OUR stories.....
I am by no means a professional .... but I like to play one on TV... just kidding...
Anyway, tonight's episode was the one with Katey Sagal ... (Married With Children among many other things) ....
She had some VERY heart tugging stories in her episode. I thought the meet up with the elderly woman who used to travel with her mother was especially touching. Though, I have to say - the whole story with the Seven Years War really caught my interest....
You see, Katey's great whatever grandfather was Jacob Hochstetler, a very well known Amish early settler ... His family had a particular rough time during this war, as I am sure many many more did also...
Wikipedia:
Hochstetler massacre
During the episode, you first hear about Jacob from a newspaper blurb, of how the "enemy" (being Indians) burnt his house, killed his wife and a "young man" and how Jacob and his children were missing.
You learn a little more from a documented interview from the British troops who had found him. He's called "John" in the document (anglicized version of Jacob) ... and the document is dated 5th May 1758 (the attack happened Sept. 19th 1757 - so he had been missing for a little more than seven months.
You learn he was taken by several Indians about 300 miles to their Indian castle (villiage with a stockade) and kept prisoner. He doesn't mention his children, because he was most likely separated shortly after being taken captive. He managed to established a trust with the Indians, they had given him a gun to go hunting. It was upon being trusted and left alone to hunt that he escaped, he made himself a float (raft) and floated down river until he managed upon a British camp.
We learn that the Indians took over 1,600 white prisoners of war, but they were not required to turn their captives over to their allies (the French). You learn that the captives were usually given over to an Indian family that had recently lost a family member. The Indian family then had the choice of killing the captive for retribution or adopting them as one of their own. Young captives were prime targets for adoption because they were easily adapted to the Indian culture. So children, in that time, were very valuable.
She then travels to Burks County Pennsylvania to see if there is any oral history on what may have happened to Jacob's children, because the "paper" trail didn't reveal that. She ends up meeting with - funny enough - a man who shares the last name of people in her tree and ends up being her 7th Cousin. She seems very smitten, saying she doesn't have a lot of family, so the connection definitely resonates with her.
We end up learning a little more about the attack on Jacob's family. (some of the following I wrote up from the portion they were reading from - but not all of it was read on the show)
"The Massacre it's called. On the evening of September 18, 1757, just about the time they were sound asleep, the dog made an unusual noise. Which awakened Jacob the son who opened the door to see what was wrong. When he received a gun shot wound to the leg. He realized in a moment that they were being attacked by Indians and managed to close and lock the door before the Indians could enter. Joseph and Christian picked up their guns to defend the family but their father, firmly believing in the doctrine of Non-resistance, remaining faithful in the hour of sourest trial, could not give his consent. In vain they begged him. He told them it was not right to take the life of another even to save one's own."
"The Indians stood in consultation for a few minutes and then set the house on fire. The family consisted of seven persons. The parents, Jacob Jr, Joseph, Christian and a daughter, name not known, also Barbra (something I can't make out) probably not at home. As the fire progressed, they sought refuge in the cellar, while the Indians stood guard around the house. When the fire had advanced so far as to burst through the floor, its advance was checked by spilling cider on the burning spots.
As daylight was now nearing it was thought the enemy would not remain much longer and the family hoped to hold out until they departed. Meanwhile the disturbance attracted the attention of John, living on the adjoining farm. A few steps from his door he could see over to the old home, which seeing on fire, surrounded by the savages and all the family within, presented a shocking sight. The safety of wife and child appealed to him." The neighbor hid his wife and child in some bush, and then rode south of his house on horse (I assume for help)
She continues, "And by the time the family were all out, they were surrounded. The son Jacob and the daughter were tomahawked and scalped. But the mother, against whom they seemed to have a particular spite was stabbed to the heart with a butcher knife and was scalped."
It is a heartbreaking account, but the impact of it is brutal. The fact that the children, the family - had to witness the brutality. That Father had to witness not only his wife's murder, but the murder of two of his children! The mother probably saw the attack on her two children before suffering her own fate.
I know I would kill anyone who tried to hurt my children. I understand the thought and belief that no one should take a life, no matter what - and it's a beautiful thought, but to sit back when there are people killing your family and at least not trying to fight back - it's heartbreaking.
They go on and find out that Joseph was adopted into a family in full fellowship. In other words, was made "after their manner a full Indian."
Christian was adopted by an "aged Indian who treated him as a son." Christian was sent out hunting for game for the older Indian and himself. Although these trips provided him with means of escape, Christian continued to hunt to feed the man who had taken him in because if he didn't, no one else would have, and his friend would parish.
It's mentioned that many of the white settlers who were taken captive and given to families often had deep and loving connections with the families they were given to.
Jacob escaped, however the boys stayed for a very long time. Beyond the end of the war (in 1763) in the fall of 1764 there was a treaty with the Indians to release all British captives. Around 200 were released and it's believed that Joseph and Christian were in that group.
Katey at this point asks "and they wanted to be released?"
And her cousin said that they (the British captives) didn't have a choice, they HAD to go back.
She goes on to read, "One account of (Christian's) return, he walked to his father's hours and as he stepped into the kitchen, he found the family at dinner. He bade the time of day, and returned to the yard, and seated himself on a stump. After his father finished his meal he went to the man in the yard who he supposed was an Indian and began a conversation with him. In broken German of which he could scarcely recall he said "My name is Christian Hochstetler." We can easily imagine the joy and surprise of the father, who never-the-less found it not easy to get his son into the house for dinner. For some time he would not decide to forsake his Indian friends and make his home with the whites. The childhood home that he had cherished in his memory during the years of his captivity was no longer to be found."
Her cousin says, many of the white captives were reluctant to come home that many of them went back. Some of them had to be handcuffed to keep them with their white families.
Imagine you are a parent, and your child is returned to you after years of separation, but all they want to do is return to their Indian family. What do you say? How do you feel?
It's crazy, but very understandable ...
The Amish today value the stories of the people who took the chosen path of being non-violent in a very difficult situation. In the case of Jacob Hochstetler homestead today as a place of pilgrimage. The original dwellings don't stand, but they made a sort of memorial with a plaque.
So what about some information on the war .... History(dot)com <- source...
New World conflict marked another chapter in the long imperial struggle between Britain and France. When France’s expansion into the Ohio River valley brought repeated conflict with the claims of the British colonies, a series of battles led to the official British declaration of war in 1756. Boosted by the financing of future Prime Minister William Pitt, the British turned the tide with victories at Louisbourg, Fort Frontenac and the French-Canadian stronghold of Quebec. At the 1763 peace conference, the British received the territories of Canada from France and Florida from Spain, opening the Mississippi Valley to westward expansion.
HERE is another article on it....
The Seven Years War
1756-1763
The Seven Years War was a conflict between the major European powers with France, Austria, and Russia on one side and Great Britian and Prussia on the other.
The war coincided with the French / British colonial struggle in North America and India. As a result of the conflict Great Britain became the leader in overseas colonization and Prussia emerged as a powerful force in Europe.
Prussia began its rise to power during the Thirty Years War. Prussia became a kingdom in 1701. The Prussian king still owed allegiance to the Holy Roman emperor in Vienna, but rivalry between the two rulers was growing increasingly bitter.
Frederick the Great began his reign at the same time as the empress Maria Theresa became the monarch of Austria. When Frederick seized the province of Silesia from Austria Maria Theresa organized an alliance of France, Sweden, Russia, Saxony, Austria, and other countries. Frederick, who felt isolated, concluded a treaty with Great Britain.
Frederick struck first overrunning Saxony. Facing an opposition 20 times superior in population numbers, Prussia struggled for existence. Frederick utilized the advantage of his interior lines of communication to strike a number of decisive victories, but in 1759 the united Austrian and Russian forces nearly destroyed the Prussian army at the battle of Kunersdorf.
Frederick's salvation came with the death of the tsarina Elizabeth in 1762 which meant that Russia withdrew from the war. France and Sweden were exhausted and Austria deeply in debt. Austria had to negotiate a peace, Frederick kept Silesia, and Great Britain won North America and India.
Let's face it, it has and always will be one of my favorite shows, it continues to make me WANT to find OUR stories.....
I am by no means a professional .... but I like to play one on TV... just kidding...
Anyway, tonight's episode was the one with Katey Sagal ... (Married With Children among many other things) ....
She had some VERY heart tugging stories in her episode. I thought the meet up with the elderly woman who used to travel with her mother was especially touching. Though, I have to say - the whole story with the Seven Years War really caught my interest....
You see, Katey's great whatever grandfather was Jacob Hochstetler, a very well known Amish early settler ... His family had a particular rough time during this war, as I am sure many many more did also...
Wikipedia:
Hochstetler massacre
The Northkill settlement was on the edge of the Blue Mountain, the legal boundary of European settlement according to agreements with Native Americans. During the French and Indian War, local tribes under the command of three French scouts attacked the Northkill settlement on September 19, 1757. The Indians attacked the Jacob Hochstetler homestead and set the house afire. The Indians stood guard around the house and torched the Hochstetler home, so the family could not escape without risking their lives. As the fire worsened, the family escaped out the cellar window, but the wounded Jacob Jr. (he had been shot during the initial attack) and Jacob Sr.'s wife, Anna (Lorentz) Hochstetler, slowed them down. She became stuck in the window during her escape, and was later stabbed in the back and scalped. Another daughter (name unknown) and Jacob Jr. were killed. Jacob Sr. and Joseph and Christian (ages app. 12–15 years) were taken captive. Jacob escaped after about 8 months, but the boys were held for several years, released after a peace treaty between the natives and the British Army was agreed upon. Altogether over 200 white people were killed in Berks County during various raids. The number of Indians killed during this time is not known.
During the episode, you first hear about Jacob from a newspaper blurb, of how the "enemy" (being Indians) burnt his house, killed his wife and a "young man" and how Jacob and his children were missing.
You learn a little more from a documented interview from the British troops who had found him. He's called "John" in the document (anglicized version of Jacob) ... and the document is dated 5th May 1758 (the attack happened Sept. 19th 1757 - so he had been missing for a little more than seven months.
You learn he was taken by several Indians about 300 miles to their Indian castle (villiage with a stockade) and kept prisoner. He doesn't mention his children, because he was most likely separated shortly after being taken captive. He managed to established a trust with the Indians, they had given him a gun to go hunting. It was upon being trusted and left alone to hunt that he escaped, he made himself a float (raft) and floated down river until he managed upon a British camp.
We learn that the Indians took over 1,600 white prisoners of war, but they were not required to turn their captives over to their allies (the French). You learn that the captives were usually given over to an Indian family that had recently lost a family member. The Indian family then had the choice of killing the captive for retribution or adopting them as one of their own. Young captives were prime targets for adoption because they were easily adapted to the Indian culture. So children, in that time, were very valuable.
She then travels to Burks County Pennsylvania to see if there is any oral history on what may have happened to Jacob's children, because the "paper" trail didn't reveal that. She ends up meeting with - funny enough - a man who shares the last name of people in her tree and ends up being her 7th Cousin. She seems very smitten, saying she doesn't have a lot of family, so the connection definitely resonates with her.
We end up learning a little more about the attack on Jacob's family. (some of the following I wrote up from the portion they were reading from - but not all of it was read on the show)
"The Massacre it's called. On the evening of September 18, 1757, just about the time they were sound asleep, the dog made an unusual noise. Which awakened Jacob the son who opened the door to see what was wrong. When he received a gun shot wound to the leg. He realized in a moment that they were being attacked by Indians and managed to close and lock the door before the Indians could enter. Joseph and Christian picked up their guns to defend the family but their father, firmly believing in the doctrine of Non-resistance, remaining faithful in the hour of sourest trial, could not give his consent. In vain they begged him. He told them it was not right to take the life of another even to save one's own."
"The Indians stood in consultation for a few minutes and then set the house on fire. The family consisted of seven persons. The parents, Jacob Jr, Joseph, Christian and a daughter, name not known, also Barbra (something I can't make out) probably not at home. As the fire progressed, they sought refuge in the cellar, while the Indians stood guard around the house. When the fire had advanced so far as to burst through the floor, its advance was checked by spilling cider on the burning spots.
As daylight was now nearing it was thought the enemy would not remain much longer and the family hoped to hold out until they departed. Meanwhile the disturbance attracted the attention of John, living on the adjoining farm. A few steps from his door he could see over to the old home, which seeing on fire, surrounded by the savages and all the family within, presented a shocking sight. The safety of wife and child appealed to him." The neighbor hid his wife and child in some bush, and then rode south of his house on horse (I assume for help)
She continues, "And by the time the family were all out, they were surrounded. The son Jacob and the daughter were tomahawked and scalped. But the mother, against whom they seemed to have a particular spite was stabbed to the heart with a butcher knife and was scalped."
It is a heartbreaking account, but the impact of it is brutal. The fact that the children, the family - had to witness the brutality. That Father had to witness not only his wife's murder, but the murder of two of his children! The mother probably saw the attack on her two children before suffering her own fate.
I know I would kill anyone who tried to hurt my children. I understand the thought and belief that no one should take a life, no matter what - and it's a beautiful thought, but to sit back when there are people killing your family and at least not trying to fight back - it's heartbreaking.
They go on and find out that Joseph was adopted into a family in full fellowship. In other words, was made "after their manner a full Indian."
Christian was adopted by an "aged Indian who treated him as a son." Christian was sent out hunting for game for the older Indian and himself. Although these trips provided him with means of escape, Christian continued to hunt to feed the man who had taken him in because if he didn't, no one else would have, and his friend would parish.
It's mentioned that many of the white settlers who were taken captive and given to families often had deep and loving connections with the families they were given to.
Jacob escaped, however the boys stayed for a very long time. Beyond the end of the war (in 1763) in the fall of 1764 there was a treaty with the Indians to release all British captives. Around 200 were released and it's believed that Joseph and Christian were in that group.
Katey at this point asks "and they wanted to be released?"
And her cousin said that they (the British captives) didn't have a choice, they HAD to go back.
She goes on to read, "One account of (Christian's) return, he walked to his father's hours and as he stepped into the kitchen, he found the family at dinner. He bade the time of day, and returned to the yard, and seated himself on a stump. After his father finished his meal he went to the man in the yard who he supposed was an Indian and began a conversation with him. In broken German of which he could scarcely recall he said "My name is Christian Hochstetler." We can easily imagine the joy and surprise of the father, who never-the-less found it not easy to get his son into the house for dinner. For some time he would not decide to forsake his Indian friends and make his home with the whites. The childhood home that he had cherished in his memory during the years of his captivity was no longer to be found."
Her cousin says, many of the white captives were reluctant to come home that many of them went back. Some of them had to be handcuffed to keep them with their white families.
Imagine you are a parent, and your child is returned to you after years of separation, but all they want to do is return to their Indian family. What do you say? How do you feel?
It's crazy, but very understandable ...
The Amish today value the stories of the people who took the chosen path of being non-violent in a very difficult situation. In the case of Jacob Hochstetler homestead today as a place of pilgrimage. The original dwellings don't stand, but they made a sort of memorial with a plaque.
So what about some information on the war .... History(dot)com <- source...
New World conflict marked another chapter in the long imperial struggle between Britain and France. When France’s expansion into the Ohio River valley brought repeated conflict with the claims of the British colonies, a series of battles led to the official British declaration of war in 1756. Boosted by the financing of future Prime Minister William Pitt, the British turned the tide with victories at Louisbourg, Fort Frontenac and the French-Canadian stronghold of Quebec. At the 1763 peace conference, the British received the territories of Canada from France and Florida from Spain, opening the Mississippi Valley to westward expansion.
The Seven Years’ War (called the French and Indian War in the colonies) lasted from 1756 to 1763, forming a chapter in the imperial struggle between Britain and France called the Second Hundred Years’ War. In the early 1750s, France’s expansion into the Ohio River valley repeatedly brought it into conflict with the claims of the British colonies, especially Virginia. During 1754 and 1755, the French defeated in quick succession the young George Washington, Gen. Edward Braddock, and Braddock’s successor, Governor William Shirley of Massachusetts. In 1755, Governor Shirley, fearing that the French settlers in Nova Scotia (Acadia) would side with France in any military confrontation, expelled hundreds of them to other British colonies; many of the exiles suffered cruelly. Throughout this period, the British military effort was hampered by lack of interest at home, rivalries among the American colonies, and France’s greater success in winning the support of the Indians. In 1756 the British formally declared war (marking the official beginning of the Seven Years’ War), but their new commander in America, Lord Loudoun, faced the same problems as his predecessors and met with little success against the French and their Indian allies.
The tide turned in 1757 because William Pitt, the new British leader, saw the colonial conflicts as the key to building a vast British empire. Borrowing heavily to finance the war, he paid Prussia to fight in Europe and reimbursed the colonies for raising troops in North America. In July 1758, the British won their first great victory at Louisbourg, near the mouth of the St. Lawrence River. A month later, they took Fort Frontenac at the western end of the river. Then they closed in on Quebec, where Gen. James Wolfe won a spectacular victory on the Plains of Abraham, September 1759 (though both he and the French commander, the Marquis de Montcalm, were fatally wounded). With the fall of Montreal in September 1760, the French lost their last foothold in Canada. Soon, Spain joined France against England, and for the rest of the war Britain concentrated on seizing French and Spanish territories in other parts of the world.
At the peace conference in 1763, the British received Canada from France andFlorida from Spain, but permitted France to keep its West Indian sugar islands and gave Louisiana to Spain. The treaty strengthened the American colonies significantly by removing their European rivals to the north and south and opening the Mississippi Valley to westward expansion.
It's kinda weird ... it's like reading a "clinical version" but it's so much more interesting when there is a personal aspect, something you can connect to, get invested in. HERE is another article on it....
The Seven Years War
1756-1763
The Seven Years War was a conflict between the major European powers with France, Austria, and Russia on one side and Great Britian and Prussia on the other.
The war coincided with the French / British colonial struggle in North America and India. As a result of the conflict Great Britain became the leader in overseas colonization and Prussia emerged as a powerful force in Europe.
Prussia began its rise to power during the Thirty Years War. Prussia became a kingdom in 1701. The Prussian king still owed allegiance to the Holy Roman emperor in Vienna, but rivalry between the two rulers was growing increasingly bitter.
Frederick the Great began his reign at the same time as the empress Maria Theresa became the monarch of Austria. When Frederick seized the province of Silesia from Austria Maria Theresa organized an alliance of France, Sweden, Russia, Saxony, Austria, and other countries. Frederick, who felt isolated, concluded a treaty with Great Britain.
Frederick struck first overrunning Saxony. Facing an opposition 20 times superior in population numbers, Prussia struggled for existence. Frederick utilized the advantage of his interior lines of communication to strike a number of decisive victories, but in 1759 the united Austrian and Russian forces nearly destroyed the Prussian army at the battle of Kunersdorf.
Frederick's salvation came with the death of the tsarina Elizabeth in 1762 which meant that Russia withdrew from the war. France and Sweden were exhausted and Austria deeply in debt. Austria had to negotiate a peace, Frederick kept Silesia, and Great Britain won North America and India.
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Friday, April 15, 2016
A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Hughes ....
So ....... little known fact here.
Adoptions can cause crazy on a family tree....
For example:
My Grandfather was adopted by his Aunt and her husband. His biological father died from Tuberculosis just a few months after my Grandfather's birth. His biological mother had already contracted Tuberculosis and was (from what I've heard) forced to give up her children. Now I don't know how *real* that forces is. As she wasn't put into a ward, she was allowed to marry another man, but she did infact allow her newborn baby to be adopted by her sister-in-law, and her toddler daughter to be adopted by someone else in the family.
I would like to think that she gave them up so there wasn't a chance for her to share that horrible illness with them. As they both lived happy lives, and their mother did infact die from Tuberculosis just a few years later.
Another example:
My husband's grand-whatever-father - I'm not looking at the moment... but be sure to check out the "Robert Lambert Mystery"
He was (rumoredly) adopted by a lovely Irish couple. No clue on the biological information, and a solid - huge - dead end.... this fact has pretty much been confirmed by another relative of Robert Lambert.
D.E.A.D.E.N.D.
So.. did you know?
I have an adoptive son? I have my four biological boys. We moved here from WI. And the first friend I made here, was his mom. She died four years ago... and when I found out he was homeless with his girlfriend, been on the streets several months - he messaged me one night, I told him my husband would be picking him up in a few, and he hasn't left our home since.
Now, those two have a beautiful little 8 month old whom I consider my granddaughter. He also has a (soon-to-be) step-daughter who will be 3 the end of June. I also consider her my granddaughter.
There is family by blood, and there is family by heart. One may not be the same. I know this.
However, where you come from, your DNA - the people who had to be born for you to be born, those don't change. And those are the lines and the links we are so interested in.
So..........
I was working on my son Kale's biological lines, and he asked me a day or two ago, if I had found out if any of his ancestors had fought in the Revolutionary War?
Well I hadn't. I had gotten as far as knowing that he had both Confederate and Union links in the Civil War, however.... hadn't gotten that far. I like to really dig and confirm as much as I can. I will sometimes add something I can't prove, but I will dig later, to make sure.... and sometimes you have to add those links to FIND that they are true.
.... or false.
So in my digging - I found out that his Dad's, dad's, dad's (great grandfather)... Mom's (2x grandmother)... Mom's (3x great grandmother) Dad's, (4x)... Great grandfather (7x Great Grandfather) had been in the Revolutionary War.
Name: William Hughes Military Place: Virginia, USA State or Army Served: Continental Troops Rank: PRIV
The Continental Army was the national army of first the Thirteen Colonies, and then the independent United States, during the American Revolutionary War.
William Hughes was a Revolutionary Soldier, serving in the Continental Army of Virginia in 1777, and served throughout the War, rendering service as a soldier in Capt. Nathaniel Fox's Company, commanded by Lt. Col. Charles Simms. His service took him through most of the major battles in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina, including the Battle of the Guilford Court House. He was present at the surrender of Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown. William Hughes brought his wife Nancy, and their children to Rutherford County, now Cleveland County (formed in 1841), settling on Beaver Dam Creek, near Boiling Springs where they spent the rest of their lives. William is buried in the Blanton-Hughes cemetery, his grave marked by a well-worn fieldstone inscribed "WH, AD 1833." Nancy is probably buried beside him, although no stone has been found for her [Cleveland County, N.C. Heritage Book: pg. 106, article by Hedy Hughes Newton]
All interesting and GREAT information.
DAR Record: HUGHES, WILLIAM
Ancestor #: A059334
Service:
VIRGINIA Rank: PRIVATE
Birth: (ANTE) 1755
Death: 6-17-1833 RUTHERFORD CO NORTH CAROLINA
Pension Number: R5354
Service Source:
NARA, M881, COMP MIL SERV RECS, ROLL # 1009
Service Description:
1) CAPT NATHANIEL FOX, LCOL CHARLES SIMMS
2) 6TH REGT, CL
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1) SON'S PENSION CLAIM REJ AS WM. OR NANCY DID NOT APPLY FOR PENSION IN
2) THEIR LIFETIME.
Residence 1) County: LUNENBURG CO - State: VIRGINIA
Spouse Number Name 1)NANCY BOWERS
I even found this......
Which is all VERY COOL and he was super excited to see all this .... and he's like "I need to know more!"
I told him that I had even seen he was related to Howard Hughes SR & JR through one of his great grandfathers.
And this this BIZARRE story started to unfold. I found the link, although it took me awhile because I didn't make a note of it. And then ... I found it and I was looking at other information, and I'm like.... that doesn't exactly match - I don't... get... it.... Some places, Felix Turner Hughes was listed as Howard Hughes SR's father.... and some places Felix Moner Hughes was listed.
And then I found this..... (HERE)
RIVAL GROUPS OF WOULD-BE COUSINS MAKING THEIR CLAIMS FOR HUGHES ESTATE
By WALLACE TURNER, Special to the New York Times
Published: September 3, 1981
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HOUSTON, Sept. 2— Six years after Howard R. Hughes died and after his closest relatives agreed to divide his multimillion-dollar estate, two other groups of people named Hughes are trying to persuade a probate court jury that the agreement would deprive them of their just shares.
With the help of a dozen lawyers, a stunning series of stories have been unfolding before the jury of six and an alternate. They seek to disprove the claim of one party to the agreement that would divide the estate.
The party under attack is composed of three sisters in their 50's, who expect to inherit the paternal line's interest under Texas law. The rival claimants' stories seek to prove that the sisters, Barbara Lapp Cameron of Los Angeles, Agnes Lapp Roberts of Cleveland and Elspeth Lapp DePould of Walnut Creek, Calif., are not Howard Hughes's closest surviving relatives on his father's side.
One set of 400 claimants has been gathered by W.A. Jones, 49, proprietor of Heir Finders Service of Nashville. He said that 11 days before Mr, Hughes died April 5, 1976, Jeff Milton Hughes of Houston hired Mr. Jones to draw up a family tree to see how closely he was related to Howard Hughes. Contract to Run a Tree
''We made a contract to run a family tree,'' Mr. Jones said. He talks nonstop, his white teeth sparkling, his blue eyes flashing behind gold framed glasses. ''He gave me $1,000 that day and a contract.''
Then Mr. Hughes died, childless, and a disputed will turned up, and Mr. Jones went on television to challenge its authenticity. ''All the Hugheses across the country began contacting me,'' he said. The interview over lunch in Mr. Jones's hotel a block from the courthouse was constantly interrupted by members of his flock of claimants. He said 70 of them were in the hotel, sleeping sometimes four to a room to save money. Mr. Jones said he had collected $32,421 from them; he said he had spent $1,130,000. ''My deal is 10 per cent and I have to pay attorneys' fees and costs,'' he said.
Although its managers estimate the Hughes estate to be worth $160 million and the Internal Revenue Service estimates it at $460 million, Mr. Jones said he believed it to be worth $2 billion. And if he and his claimants prevail, they will divide half of that, with his end $100 million. He said enemies he did not name have threatened him. Inquiry by Consumer Office
Martha Lehmann, an employe of the Texas Attorney General's Consumer Fraud Division office, said that her office was investigating Mr. Jones's representations to the potential heirs he had lined up.
Mr. Jones's position on how part of the Hughes inheritance is to be won for his backers is straightforward. The Lapp sisters say they are the granddaughters of Rupert Hughes, who was Howard Hughes's uncle. They say that that their mother, Elspeth Hughes Lapp, was Rupert Hughes's only child. One thing that no one disputes is that the three are the daughters of Elspeth Hughes Lapp.
Their lawyers have put into evidence a marriage license between Agnes Hedge and Rupert Hughes, a birth certificate for Elspeth Hughes listing Rupert as father, a decree in which Rupert and Agnes took joint custody of Elsepth when they divorced in New York in 1904. There also were photographs, autographed books and other memorabilia.
There is less here than meets the eye, said Mr. Jones and his counsel, Alex Meacham of Smyrna, Tenn. They assert that Elspeth, who died a suicide in 1946 at the age of 49, was not Rupert's daughter but the child of one of a number of illicit relationships Rupert charged to Agnes in the divorce. 'She Was a Beautiful Thing'
''She was a streetwalker and he proved it,'' Mr. Jones said of Agnes Hughes. ''There was Handsome Jim Beebe in Iowa. She spent three months with him. She was a beautiful thing. I have pictures of her.''
And not only was Agnes Hughes no better than she should be, Mr. Jones said, her husband was physically unable to father children because of mumps in childhood.
The Jones case is now before the court. About 20 witnesses will be called to tell the family stories they have heard about Rupert and Agnes, according to George Parnham, a Houston lawyer who was hired six weeks ago by Mr. Jones because Mr. Meacham is not at home in Texas courts.
Mr. Parnham and his co-counsel, Jacqueline Taylor, won an important ruling from Judge Pat Gregory yesterday that will enable them to present this evidence providing they can qualify their witnesses, one by one, under the strict rules that permit some hearsay.
''If we didn't have that, we might as well quit,'' said Mr. Parnham, who was one of the lawyers who failed to persuade a Nevada jury to accept the disputed will. Now, for a Complicated Tale
The Jones group's claim is clear and simple compared with the story told to the jury Monday and yesterday by the other group seeking to upset the agreement. Robert C. Hughes, 56, a teacher from Columbiana, Ala., tells a tale that begins before the Civil War and includes two switches of persons in the ancestry charts of the Lapp sisters.
Robert Hughes's authority for the crucial elements of his story is a trunk, once owned by his uncle, John Douglas Hughes. The trunk was filled with papers that would show the truth of what he says, he testified, adding that it is a shame it was burned in 1942.
In the early 19th century, Robert Hughes began, two families named Hughes were neighbors in Virginia. They were not related. One was headed by Joshua Hughes and the other by Chesley Hughes. To make it more complex, Robert Hughes said that each family had a son of about the same age. The Chesley Hughes son was named Felix Moner Hughes; the Joshua Hughes son was Felix Turner Hughes.
It has been generally understood that Felix Turner Hughes was Howard Hughes's grandfather. Not so, said Robert Hughes. They Then Switch, He Says
What happened, he said, was that Felix Moner Hughes took to hanging out with the Joshua Hughes family. When the Civil War came, he stayed with them because they were Union supporters while his own family was Confederate, the story goes. Felix Turner Hughes disappeared, perhaps to be killed in the War, and Felix Moner Hughes became known as Felix Turner Hughes and went on to become Howard's grandfather, it is argued.
For the Robert Hughes group, Elspeth Hughes Lapp is still left to be dealt with, because Rupert was Felix Hughes's son and Howard's uncle, no matter who Felix's father was.
Again things are not what they seem, Robert Hughes testified. He said that the real Elspeth drowned in a swimming pool in Los Angeles in 1922. Then, he explained, Rupert's second wife, Eleanor Patterson Dial, substituted her own daughter, who also was named Elspeth, and Rupert went along with it.
Why did Agnes Hughes, then still alive, accept this substitution for her dead daughter? Robert Hughes was asked. ''Probably a financial consideration,'' he testified. A group of 16 of Howard Hughes's relatives from the maternal side have already been designated as the heirs of half his estate. The court action here is over the other half. However, the whole agreement to divide, with its secondary parts, would be inoperative if either challenge succeeds.
Illustrations: Photo of Tom Askins, Charles Ireland and Herbert Askins who claim to be heirs of Howard Hughes
So I posted this to Facebook.....
Clusterfuck of Genealogy ... written word vs. documentation. So doing Kale's genealogy - Cookson side - we ran into a "Your 5x Great Grandfather was the Grandfather to Howard Hughes and Great Grandfather to Howard Hughes Jr." AWESOME, right? WRONG. Now we're in a confused state..... because Howard Hughes' father was Felix Hughes... Felix Turner Hughes ... but... Felix Turner Hughes had an imposter of (I think, a cousin) Felix Moner Hughes. For some reason, Felix Turner Hughes disappeared during war and the other Felix (Felix M. Hughes) took his place. BUT.... one of them had no kids, and the other had a crap load .... so .... where is Maury when I need him to tell me who da daddy is? Seriously ....... (and that wasn't the only cousin to take the place of a cousin in this story of the Hughes.... oye!) Although - it doesn't matter for the fact that Kale's genealogy is intact, because, his 5x Great Grandfather, had his 4x Great Grandfather who was Felix's (the real one's) brother John. Did you follow that? No? Well ... now you know why we're confused....
And I hit epic confusion! I spent a lot of time trying to wrap my head around all this today.
1: Howard R. Hughes, Sr: Wikipedia
2: Twenty-fifth Anniversary Report, 1897-1922
By Harvard College (1780- ). Class of 1897
3: Chesley Woodward Hughes
So I think that .... it's kinda safe to say ...... Howard Hughes biological father was Felix M. Hughes, not Felix T. Hughes the brother of Kale's great-grandfather many years back.
He is however related via the love of one families heart who accepted Felix M. Hughes, even though their own Felix had perished at war....
Added this to my FB post:
I've wrapped my head around it now. It is said (and I have seen it in a few places now) that Felix M. Hughes wasn't a cousin, just a neighbor of the same last name. He took on Felix Turner Hughes name after the real Felix Turner Hughes died during the war. Now, Felix M. Hughes (the real one that turned imposter as Felix T. Hughes) is the one that fathered Howard Hughes (as Felix T. Hughes) ... but it's documented places that it's truly Felix M. Hughes that married and had children. Boo - so - sorry Kale, no relation... I take that back, no biological relation - but an adoptive family way - yeah!
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Sunday, April 10, 2016
Ancestry DNA - Annissa
So a couple months ago, there was a good deal on the whole Ancestry DNA thing, and Dennis and I both really wanted to do it. We thought it could be crazy interesting to see what the DNA showed compared to what I figured out based on where ... basically ... everyone was FROM (as in where they were born) ... just because you were BORN in England, didn't mean that your DNA was "British" .. get it? Because if you are born in England, and your great great great great whatever set of Grandparents had a long genetic line in France, means your DNA will show as French instead of British. Follow me?
This is what I figured out based on what I had gathered with the locations of where the ancestors had been born....
So we FINALLY got our results today, and I have to say that I was a little shocked over mine. Shocked, but not shocked. I knew that I had a long line of Irish, I knew I had a lot of German and Norwegian, not to mention the long line of the British Royal line - those were the biggest things based on where people lived that I could trace back. However, unless there is Royalty - a lot of lines cannot be traced back very far at all - brick walls are hard to break down. SO ..... interestingly - this is what mine shows. I am 100% European ... 79% Western European, 17% Irish, and 3% other European areas... I wish I could get the 79% to break down more, you know, how much of that is my German? How much is French? But it's a lump collective.
Ancestry DNA - Dennis
So a couple months ago, there was a good deal on the whole Ancestry DNA thing, and Dennis and I both really wanted to do it. We thought it could be crazy interesting to see what the DNA showed compared to what I figured out based on where ... basically ... everyone was FROM (as in where they were born) ... just because you were BORN in England, didn't mean that your DNA was "British" .. get it? Because if you are born in England, and your great great great great whatever set of Grandparents had a long genetic line in France, means your DNA will show as French instead of British. Follow me?
So wayyyy back when, I had pieced together this pie chart based on where the grandparents or great-grandparents - or however far back I could piece together came from.
I thought it was funny that his Norwegian showed more clear than mine did. (Ha ha) ... But interestingly - the amount of Italian in him was not as much as thought... and the fact that he does have European Jewish in him, even though it's a freckle, it's still there - confirming what he has heard! It's really interesting though. He also has some Middle East in him. Which is also interesting. Probably those who initiated in the Middle East migrated down to Italy. But these are pretty cool .... There was one rumor that he was hoping would be proved, but wasn't - and that was the Indian that one of his great-great-whatever-grandfather's married. But that didn't pick up.
This is what our results were based on the DNA ....
So wayyyy back when, I had pieced together this pie chart based on where the grandparents or great-grandparents - or however far back I could piece together came from.
I thought it was funny that his Norwegian showed more clear than mine did. (Ha ha) ... But interestingly - the amount of Italian in him was not as much as thought... and the fact that he does have European Jewish in him, even though it's a freckle, it's still there - confirming what he has heard! It's really interesting though. He also has some Middle East in him. Which is also interesting. Probably those who initiated in the Middle East migrated down to Italy. But these are pretty cool .... There was one rumor that he was hoping would be proved, but wasn't - and that was the Indian that one of his great-great-whatever-grandfather's married. But that didn't pick up.
This is what our results were based on the DNA ....
Saturday, July 25, 2015
Vanishing Names
I have to say that I think the Less Common Names.... I think there might be some good reason for some of those losing popularity .... I mean........
Butterworth?
................ Syrup jokes for the rest of your life?
Nuttal?
............... do I really need to explain?
Lord?
........... delusion of grander much?
Pratt?
........... well, do you KNOW what PRATT means in Britain?
I actually really like the name Dyson. REALLY like it. But.......
.... yep ... vacuum jokes...........
Friday, July 24, 2015
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