tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-67566027773111620302024-03-12T17:03:15.831-07:00Tracing Back the ROOTS OF MY ROOTSAny family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples ... <br>
It's always interesting to follow the branches....Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.comBlogger81125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-72771327012952792872022-11-27T10:36:00.006-08:002022-11-27T11:05:30.186-08:00Family History Project ... Part 2: Grandma Phyllis' side <p> <a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidC1bNP-kXYJlxHKdUHkUYFqDaZjwwsDl-Yqq0znfJuO97OHbSkYNinELMRCZThfpPUygqBiKRGsUFu9DACYIiHujz-gQkIXAWWPzfNdFacdbetfmnDg1s9Qb13-nDjDKApUUEbURedfsNukxvWwmzdDsUMFF7bJkoDE7zDqSB3CtdW4tVqAo_BFqjgQ/s560/Family-Roots.png" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em; text-align: center;"><img border="0" data-original-height="315" data-original-width="560" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidC1bNP-kXYJlxHKdUHkUYFqDaZjwwsDl-Yqq0znfJuO97OHbSkYNinELMRCZThfpPUygqBiKRGsUFu9DACYIiHujz-gQkIXAWWPzfNdFacdbetfmnDg1s9Qb13-nDjDKApUUEbURedfsNukxvWwmzdDsUMFF7bJkoDE7zDqSB3CtdW4tVqAo_BFqjgQ/w640-h360/Family-Roots.png" width="640" /></a></p><p></p><p>Dear <span style="font-family: verdana;"><b>Niece </b></span>... </p><p>I thought this would be the easiest way to organize the information for you. </p><p>Your Dad's parents are your "Grandma" Bridgett and Mr. Unknown .... then he was adopted by his grandparents, Clyde and Phyllis, Bridgett's parents. This makes things a little confusing on how we recognize your dad because that makes his mom his<i> "Sister"</i> and his grandparents his <i>"Mom & Dad" </i></p><p>For the sake of the FAMILY TREE though, we are going to base things biologically..</p><p></p><p><b>Bridgett </b>is your grandmother, born in Illinois. <b>Mr. Unknown</b>, well, he is unknown. </p><p><b>Clyde </b>and <b>Phyllis</b> are your Great Grandparents.... they are both still alive. Both born in Illinois. </p><p>We just did Grandpa Clyde's side and now we'll do Phyllis' side ,,,,</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiURACA1G6m10UJt5DlI30VKeW01dbu7pqa5OSyVF2ZBeKGwNZ3K99jVareDK90dZ7tg27SD6ISVoqkdYHJg8gPrPmC4FRJlRhsPy_6usZ-rVGyhhRZKrK1U0lJ_JIxV6GG-Fkm4Hd2Pt3kTecD2Iv9VtOWpMgB7UmsVeLNIpitpC8-RbNdamZ1tuWycw/s1059/Phyllis.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="376" data-original-width="1059" height="228" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiURACA1G6m10UJt5DlI30VKeW01dbu7pqa5OSyVF2ZBeKGwNZ3K99jVareDK90dZ7tg27SD6ISVoqkdYHJg8gPrPmC4FRJlRhsPy_6usZ-rVGyhhRZKrK1U0lJ_JIxV6GG-Fkm4Hd2Pt3kTecD2Iv9VtOWpMgB7UmsVeLNIpitpC8-RbNdamZ1tuWycw/w640-h228/Phyllis.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p><span style="font-size: large;"><b><u>YOUR 2x Great Grandparents </u></b></span></p><p>Phyllis' parents were <b>Claude and Philomena Roberts </b>... Claude was born in 1928 Wabasha, Minnesota, USA and Philomena was born in 1927 in Chicago, Illinois.</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhu8Qw92PGuVR-EFK7yVNsIQ1S2bjNj3EDeDmQqnJK4PI9amXV9FZyVuKIxrCbfeyn7iqtEnlz3L34nRiziHZCIN4tsG40bs6YE2Iclmr2BIXL5W170IgI3tswJsgzoE7LXhqjibuu0RT0hioLF766-wLNiXrgpabu8r8EJ0vwIgwPuFs6Dsy62dCeCIQ/s1428/Claude%20Roberts.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="654" data-original-width="1428" height="294" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhu8Qw92PGuVR-EFK7yVNsIQ1S2bjNj3EDeDmQqnJK4PI9amXV9FZyVuKIxrCbfeyn7iqtEnlz3L34nRiziHZCIN4tsG40bs6YE2Iclmr2BIXL5W170IgI3tswJsgzoE7LXhqjibuu0RT0hioLF766-wLNiXrgpabu8r8EJ0vwIgwPuFs6Dsy62dCeCIQ/w640-h294/Claude%20Roberts.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><p>Philomena aka "Phyllis" was buried with her son, Patrick, whom died before her. Also her death year was never added to the stone, that should be 2001. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyfdxSGXAaMgCwdTel1z3zEiwifODjlRfpwC59Hkg5JhPb-O_IR5QKkLKB58JzwtwlsSKr1seV9z5n8xm7UZp4xdKYmhID-HCDFzIf-PoJ8q1P7hsD9zEnRGzlmJ5SYbCSC1iJCdWDUjHB2_USLHNE-HV6HJ69lhbO1XZmrOxVOQ1Pq2cOIwdrIqUotQ/s360/7225737_130566703876.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="270" data-original-width="360" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyfdxSGXAaMgCwdTel1z3zEiwifODjlRfpwC59Hkg5JhPb-O_IR5QKkLKB58JzwtwlsSKr1seV9z5n8xm7UZp4xdKYmhID-HCDFzIf-PoJ8q1P7hsD9zEnRGzlmJ5SYbCSC1iJCdWDUjHB2_USLHNE-HV6HJ69lhbO1XZmrOxVOQ1Pq2cOIwdrIqUotQ/w640-h480/7225737_130566703876.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">They are buried side by side though ... </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhakBoKVfZvvB9Y_FW06bWPTf2qOjjES8XwBAoRL6rBTyldHrvFI3eaJGmu4wpto75I-1ZAndsBxAhFAysRHnyqsTKwNPE2epVj0vvB-TPLY5muUer0JWEhyKEoip8QrfHvgF-33mIq8K28SH9Dh3HpWjqmxlVKyl9IWtPY2-5-Ahd7yLc9WTYc_BCtSg/s1600/Claude%20Roberts%20and%20Phyllis%20Roberts.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1600" data-original-width="780" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhakBoKVfZvvB9Y_FW06bWPTf2qOjjES8XwBAoRL6rBTyldHrvFI3eaJGmu4wpto75I-1ZAndsBxAhFAysRHnyqsTKwNPE2epVj0vvB-TPLY5muUer0JWEhyKEoip8QrfHvgF-33mIq8K28SH9Dh3HpWjqmxlVKyl9IWtPY2-5-Ahd7yLc9WTYc_BCtSg/w312-h640/Claude%20Roberts%20and%20Phyllis%20Roberts.jpg" width="312" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><p><b style="font-size: x-large;"><u>YOUR 3x Great Grandparents </u></b></p><p>Claude's parents were <b>Harold and Agnes Roberts</b>. Harold was born in 1902 Wabasha, Minnesota and Agnes was born in 1903 in Minnesota. </p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMLkx3w3cCpd9AYxNGnsKK-WObRtAg9hrY7z0l7cdOhJc_OubJ0avuPtO2L_RNpYcftaFbrpsMqPsgbFIfTFXtyG4Gf2hZwYYCZuYdASyfpWfn7OGwT5Utr5gWR4pNJFlXiuMHui-YXj6k3Vm0MgxHOiVBTA5-7NAq1EqVcMOw6VGeu-RumHPb7wGa5g/s3072/Harold%20Roberts%20Gravestone.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2304" data-original-width="3072" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjMLkx3w3cCpd9AYxNGnsKK-WObRtAg9hrY7z0l7cdOhJc_OubJ0avuPtO2L_RNpYcftaFbrpsMqPsgbFIfTFXtyG4Gf2hZwYYCZuYdASyfpWfn7OGwT5Utr5gWR4pNJFlXiuMHui-YXj6k3Vm0MgxHOiVBTA5-7NAq1EqVcMOw6VGeu-RumHPb7wGa5g/w640-h480/Harold%20Roberts%20Gravestone.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWYVG91ZRH9CTPiYA_CiUr9gf7K0TEI4qJDyzej9I7KKOl2Lhgqo1s5NGnCQ3uYkBUBDB2KH1YLtAsK6BTL9pflhLARoymi25_Dz4b3a-1zSGEShCyJTVa2_CuKagNBOtKG7ZIYB6ODxXH5y3tnQTFiu6MAnDY6XEWRAnZlGUPLcghQNzplpKB4tPulg/s3072/Agnes%20Roberts%20Gravestone.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2304" data-original-width="3072" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjWYVG91ZRH9CTPiYA_CiUr9gf7K0TEI4qJDyzej9I7KKOl2Lhgqo1s5NGnCQ3uYkBUBDB2KH1YLtAsK6BTL9pflhLARoymi25_Dz4b3a-1zSGEShCyJTVa2_CuKagNBOtKG7ZIYB6ODxXH5y3tnQTFiu6MAnDY6XEWRAnZlGUPLcghQNzplpKB4tPulg/w640-h480/Agnes%20Roberts%20Gravestone.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><span face="ui-sans, "Helvetica Neue", Arial, sans-serif" style="background-color: white; box-sizing: inherit; color: #262626; font-size: 14.5px;"><br /></span><p></p><p>Philomena's parents were <b>Ernesto and Concetta D'Ambrosio</b>. Ernesto was born in 1885 in Celle San Vito, Foggia, Italy. He died in 1903. Concetta was born in 1891 in Facta Taggia, Italy and she died around 1957. I have had a very very hard time going back further from these two in this line. However, I do believe I have the names of both their parents and all four of them were from Italy. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnWAVRQcPFMgqBqnbRXoH6DeWBBtjJU2NyRrn3SSNrb6sPCVgAzgDhvxBaJxwt5u3HoFJY3CnZzKkwUQB2qCuz_ET-_X0oGwXV8TmiBfCNCo-BLpjTH_QU3r_bVF16FwZAusZcThavuM2sbMw4qs7AcVn1pw4nNdI7SdahYUf-bsReEAddqqb1_bDUDg/s3264/Grave%20Site.jpeg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1395" data-original-width="3264" height="274" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgnWAVRQcPFMgqBqnbRXoH6DeWBBtjJU2NyRrn3SSNrb6sPCVgAzgDhvxBaJxwt5u3HoFJY3CnZzKkwUQB2qCuz_ET-_X0oGwXV8TmiBfCNCo-BLpjTH_QU3r_bVF16FwZAusZcThavuM2sbMw4qs7AcVn1pw4nNdI7SdahYUf-bsReEAddqqb1_bDUDg/w640-h274/Grave%20Site.jpeg" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div>But something interesting is that I did find the Passenger List where Ernesto came over from Italy to America and landed in Ellis Island.<div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEga15KSqd0EPlF4on_DzHDWgLA8jH0mJeSDdLVm6XCt2xMNuQ3XVHDF3fnDshNtebzdusA-vED3vIADR0F9HYqfVTaTzjzv-70j62vVUkjq2WtwMNAJqwPSJpVD9lPUXR-rWbdNe56BhDFH5IOojh6SIm49dVf1n5ctAR9CZ3BFFqDFvMDZGcgxvRxXWw/s681/ErnestoDAmbrosioPassengerRecord.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="515" data-original-width="681" height="484" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEga15KSqd0EPlF4on_DzHDWgLA8jH0mJeSDdLVm6XCt2xMNuQ3XVHDF3fnDshNtebzdusA-vED3vIADR0F9HYqfVTaTzjzv-70j62vVUkjq2WtwMNAJqwPSJpVD9lPUXR-rWbdNe56BhDFH5IOojh6SIm49dVf1n5ctAR9CZ3BFFqDFvMDZGcgxvRxXWw/w640-h484/ErnestoDAmbrosioPassengerRecord.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUPP8ReAGkN_KGVvso4iTDytBHLBpS_j8z8XUJpQcZ8iWVgXE_pRKwoL4Jejjkl8DL8nEmXMzd9x0frAnBE25G_1egtRVdZfjVe-ns2xjdCoTRbD3qL_5oV140-v6NQqYtXAH6IWpB7nH6U9xT22noIsxO5VYNuk5RVrC041-OXePGQ1sGzTSqVoiDHg/s600/neustria.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="330" data-original-width="600" height="352" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiUPP8ReAGkN_KGVvso4iTDytBHLBpS_j8z8XUJpQcZ8iWVgXE_pRKwoL4Jejjkl8DL8nEmXMzd9x0frAnBE25G_1egtRVdZfjVe-ns2xjdCoTRbD3qL_5oV140-v6NQqYtXAH6IWpB7nH6U9xT22noIsxO5VYNuk5RVrC041-OXePGQ1sGzTSqVoiDHg/w640-h352/neustria.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><b style="font-size: x-large;"><u>YOUR 4x Great Grandparents </u></b></div><div><br /></div><div>So this is where it's going to get a little tricky. This isn't as simple as Grandpa Clyde's side where by this generation or the 5x G-Gparents came from an area of origin. These guys, who ... besides Ernesto and Concetta's families who were both born in Italy, Harold and Agnes' families had been here for centuries, aging up with America. With the exception of one g-grandparent here, who was from Norway, everyone else goes way back and most (if not all) were immigrated from England. </div><div><br /></div><div>Ernesto's parents were <b>Angelo & Donata D'Ambrosio</b>. I THINK. This is my best guess at this point but I don't have any information beyond the possible names. </div><div><br /></div><div>Concetta's parents were <b>Vito and Filomena Benedetto</b>. Vito was born in 1860 in Italy and Filomena was born in 1861 in Fieto, Italy. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4BMQbmEwWZXtsA_UW1PcKmZrkglxs9ebBOYDp95OnFHlY0-5Q_fcOUoPPZKcPj_CjlxhcWuzWw_bbhXe9Ie5W7MS26B8ssiBfr2S1olZIe_prXpYpaZYJVe8PGK3vwziRet46rhIZrTVDWxSXe1D-sHJFG8HSH5d_qYRsYzyjJFV4BvpO6II7hBhETQ/s794/Grave%20Site.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="794" data-original-width="547" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh4BMQbmEwWZXtsA_UW1PcKmZrkglxs9ebBOYDp95OnFHlY0-5Q_fcOUoPPZKcPj_CjlxhcWuzWw_bbhXe9Ie5W7MS26B8ssiBfr2S1olZIe_prXpYpaZYJVe8PGK3vwziRet46rhIZrTVDWxSXe1D-sHJFG8HSH5d_qYRsYzyjJFV4BvpO6II7hBhETQ/w440-h640/Grave%20Site.jpg" width="440" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrRI1bdJafZiGZdRwpGrYMTYLgCZfm-7gbx8UhY2guf_jbiGRebbrU9NsUJI4kYU6oy5fK-EUJ4bUWr2t2OpXfJQSqoji6GmEc4d-l7hM1a6mDw2vqxI6X4WJR4cIE7kYrL9AmeuNw0fe_rQUP9x0s9Rbjgf6kW2J59iIGCWdSjQUsCIM6AQ2necFf-g/s790/Vito%20Benedetto.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="790" data-original-width="482" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjrRI1bdJafZiGZdRwpGrYMTYLgCZfm-7gbx8UhY2guf_jbiGRebbrU9NsUJI4kYU6oy5fK-EUJ4bUWr2t2OpXfJQSqoji6GmEc4d-l7hM1a6mDw2vqxI6X4WJR4cIE7kYrL9AmeuNw0fe_rQUP9x0s9Rbjgf6kW2J59iIGCWdSjQUsCIM6AQ2necFf-g/w390-h640/Vito%20Benedetto.jpg" width="390" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9rcVcJmMk4BkAiv6HFV1vzuVMC1tzrdoj0xANJwnfKyUXtON2a63SYRPmgZaVHcqWgufOt6yQmeW6iiSJcVFqlXre_FIZEtIlu5LQhTC6Asr4X5urmMptJIyzU8TZ_3fUJE2PC82GPDiJWf67cnLctW7gkFRpGR0XAIgyCGRlNIIkoODgWqw9Vqoeng/s789/Filomena%20Benedetto.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="789" data-original-width="458" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg9rcVcJmMk4BkAiv6HFV1vzuVMC1tzrdoj0xANJwnfKyUXtON2a63SYRPmgZaVHcqWgufOt6yQmeW6iiSJcVFqlXre_FIZEtIlu5LQhTC6Asr4X5urmMptJIyzU8TZ_3fUJE2PC82GPDiJWf67cnLctW7gkFRpGR0XAIgyCGRlNIIkoODgWqw9Vqoeng/w372-h640/Filomena%20Benedetto.jpg" width="372" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>Harold's parents were <b>William and Gussie Mae Roberts</b>. William was born in 1869 in Perry County, Pennsylvania and Gussie Mae was born in 1881 in Maxville, Buffalo, Wisconsin. </div><div><br />William's family I ran into a lot of brick walls tracing back, I'm not 100% sure where they came from. However, Gussie Mae's lineage goes all the way back to the 1600's to early America and most if not all of the ancestors came from England in the 1600's at some point. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicm695YAxOG_uquFEpQoLmvbVHwwVd_mgJqsN-lQwi5bFwYVlwOWwUsOxgSj07o-qqx2Q9vlzaW8JTwmwCxjX0V6YJ6rUBFZaeevEcP1bSEQuZda6GO71PfbSZulPX3GIZtx9CS08dmJNVOGJawolPYXwptCq890q1f5kpB_cUkUfJry-G1svNCJxy7Q/s3264/William%20Roberts%20grave.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2448" data-original-width="3264" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEicm695YAxOG_uquFEpQoLmvbVHwwVd_mgJqsN-lQwi5bFwYVlwOWwUsOxgSj07o-qqx2Q9vlzaW8JTwmwCxjX0V6YJ6rUBFZaeevEcP1bSEQuZda6GO71PfbSZulPX3GIZtx9CS08dmJNVOGJawolPYXwptCq890q1f5kpB_cUkUfJry-G1svNCJxy7Q/w640-h480/William%20Roberts%20grave.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv9NTCP6boRbIgh5yDasK5guEnXJQgvnC6XG5LWq_lHAyY9YRygctAQsd-g2gCrrj2AH5h5AYB8uxqK_ESbAlgARKwCu1gcJydQRlbAkaFo5axfKUOrft_lCxhbMKFS7m-N_fPBqGivgR32oim04ofPh28qDQsze0On5ZC-M95tXE2OpMhp-bSIR86Wg/s3264/Gussie%20Roberts%20aka%20Hyde%20grave.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="2448" data-original-width="3264" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv9NTCP6boRbIgh5yDasK5guEnXJQgvnC6XG5LWq_lHAyY9YRygctAQsd-g2gCrrj2AH5h5AYB8uxqK_ESbAlgARKwCu1gcJydQRlbAkaFo5axfKUOrft_lCxhbMKFS7m-N_fPBqGivgR32oim04ofPh28qDQsze0On5ZC-M95tXE2OpMhp-bSIR86Wg/w640-h480/Gussie%20Roberts%20aka%20Hyde%20grave.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>Agnes' parents were <b>William and Inga Griffin</b>. William was born in 1881 Tomah, Monroe, Wisconsin and Inga was born in 1875 in Hasvåg, Nord-Trøndelag, NORWAY.</div><div><br /></div><div>This is a photo of Inga's family before she was married. She is the young lady, back row, all the way to the right behind the older lady.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcfuYgEUFByAl68q9vavCIyX3cEuq9adZbxdyBOLk443QPMGyJ_Iu1hqoZp-IKXOiGe12B1cCC6OTSCp6ivVqUPBQXUorEMo2h0w1HWGK_nQ9Xru55FDVrN9yynG2mbj8FwQvit8pLg3B4cAyX1zOq05ZutuI1J6j4x-KN0XAFxu3FGWaMzDhzeT7aEA/s768/da4522d0-fbed-468b-8d59-eaef2b6529ac.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="768" data-original-width="762" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgcfuYgEUFByAl68q9vavCIyX3cEuq9adZbxdyBOLk443QPMGyJ_Iu1hqoZp-IKXOiGe12B1cCC6OTSCp6ivVqUPBQXUorEMo2h0w1HWGK_nQ9Xru55FDVrN9yynG2mbj8FwQvit8pLg3B4cAyX1zOq05ZutuI1J6j4x-KN0XAFxu3FGWaMzDhzeT7aEA/w636-h640/da4522d0-fbed-468b-8d59-eaef2b6529ac.jpg" width="636" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYoizzSViGVs6DxIXT4VbI4mnm3BjBr3Krisz_dRJLvlstuesbCCat52S1sEq48pNw0nXW-o6A3X2piSsNpJADGZEiy5LS-smZjOJXtzw3aSlJPBPFOM7Uh0nnNn0nSH3G791olG0EfCDJbRVTMwcY88U0dwY4Q8dOd6maAMjQvUhaqNkjZPFhsh_SHA/s700/137888935_1414503275.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="525" data-original-width="700" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjYoizzSViGVs6DxIXT4VbI4mnm3BjBr3Krisz_dRJLvlstuesbCCat52S1sEq48pNw0nXW-o6A3X2piSsNpJADGZEiy5LS-smZjOJXtzw3aSlJPBPFOM7Uh0nnNn0nSH3G791olG0EfCDJbRVTMwcY88U0dwY4Q8dOd6maAMjQvUhaqNkjZPFhsh_SHA/w640-h480/137888935_1414503275.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdt3r1nmjU1rsjmVZH73m2-2rLz1okeKMSj9R3rSS0F3nvO_okVB786VQnzyUHlUPICp9ZU4VpD0ch6JBUqi3_o1V5vUgTDiL_nuvLHqHqNtIlqZQsYtQFOarcnyA8Bo7zzxbSjUpiWRPzDtn8oc4K-Sx9Xmgg-_m14myKJYmDTUScpr5oAVqgbqzrNA/s4032/54846618_a94079d0-6294-40ef-a836-31cce7a30748.jpeg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3024" data-original-width="4032" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjdt3r1nmjU1rsjmVZH73m2-2rLz1okeKMSj9R3rSS0F3nvO_okVB786VQnzyUHlUPICp9ZU4VpD0ch6JBUqi3_o1V5vUgTDiL_nuvLHqHqNtIlqZQsYtQFOarcnyA8Bo7zzxbSjUpiWRPzDtn8oc4K-Sx9Xmgg-_m14myKJYmDTUScpr5oAVqgbqzrNA/w640-h480/54846618_a94079d0-6294-40ef-a836-31cce7a30748.jpeg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div>This is where it gets a little interesting. While Inga's family came over from Norway. Williams went back to the 1600's America. William's lineage goes all the way back to the 1600's to early America and most if not all of the ancestors came from England in the 1600's at some point .... and this is where the Salem Witch Trials comes into play. </div><div><br /></div><div>Williams line goes back several generations .... </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_nR3lhvXyTrLeVU7UT6nAu9PTlkIiJna29uAtPkpeGhWZ08m59Pd6Gr-iS124CjfXPTb9s366e2KiH12vnkwFVlG3jxGxPgxny3tZm5cxa3WPVH3LwHxrb6HhYOBKPq4myyot-w0s1mxbwblaiju0X96ROk12NgIhJGVxoFP1cPb64xCbZWGuh0_k4A/s1241/Witch%201.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="637" data-original-width="1241" height="328" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg_nR3lhvXyTrLeVU7UT6nAu9PTlkIiJna29uAtPkpeGhWZ08m59Pd6Gr-iS124CjfXPTb9s366e2KiH12vnkwFVlG3jxGxPgxny3tZm5cxa3WPVH3LwHxrb6HhYOBKPq4myyot-w0s1mxbwblaiju0X96ROk12NgIhJGVxoFP1cPb64xCbZWGuh0_k4A/w640-h328/Witch%201.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>So William to his mother Eva, to her father Marsena Martin, to his father Icabod Martin to his father, also Ichabod Martin.... </div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvYz6yNDquMnuON2v5y9Caw2gOmeToBFxzkcneDyiszr7j2jIToIAqw-nvoU7aFqmsFdfF7zMPLAXIe5dJ2q2lufKy9yBarZhl4b01ZnA1T6A96hRGZMvv2DsbIBtZHpikt5dxCe_bi9tHPGXgolUKvnH-6OMubn2WJWtF7kxzyxA8FdcQg0ZEgunb4Q/s1279/Witch%202.jpg" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="662" data-original-width="1279" height="332" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgvYz6yNDquMnuON2v5y9Caw2gOmeToBFxzkcneDyiszr7j2jIToIAqw-nvoU7aFqmsFdfF7zMPLAXIe5dJ2q2lufKy9yBarZhl4b01ZnA1T6A96hRGZMvv2DsbIBtZHpikt5dxCe_bi9tHPGXgolUKvnH-6OMubn2WJWtF7kxzyxA8FdcQg0ZEgunb4Q/w640-h332/Witch%202.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div>Ichabod Martin to his father Nathaniel Martin, to his father Samuel Martin, to his father John Martin, to his parents George Martin and his mother Susanna North Martin... the "Salem Witch" that got hung. </div><div><br /></div><div>I hope that this helps you and is what you need!!</div>Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-17356689866486644642022-11-27T09:06:00.002-08:002022-11-27T09:06:54.366-08:00Family History Project ... Part 1: Grandpa Clyde's side <p> </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidC1bNP-kXYJlxHKdUHkUYFqDaZjwwsDl-Yqq0znfJuO97OHbSkYNinELMRCZThfpPUygqBiKRGsUFu9DACYIiHujz-gQkIXAWWPzfNdFacdbetfmnDg1s9Qb13-nDjDKApUUEbURedfsNukxvWwmzdDsUMFF7bJkoDE7zDqSB3CtdW4tVqAo_BFqjgQ/s560/Family-Roots.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="315" data-original-width="560" height="360" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEidC1bNP-kXYJlxHKdUHkUYFqDaZjwwsDl-Yqq0znfJuO97OHbSkYNinELMRCZThfpPUygqBiKRGsUFu9DACYIiHujz-gQkIXAWWPzfNdFacdbetfmnDg1s9Qb13-nDjDKApUUEbURedfsNukxvWwmzdDsUMFF7bJkoDE7zDqSB3CtdW4tVqAo_BFqjgQ/w640-h360/Family-Roots.png" width="640" /></a></div><p></p><p>Dear <span style="font-family: verdana;"><b>Niece </b></span>... </p><p>I thought this would be the easiest way to organize the information for you. </p><p>Your Dad's parents are your "Grandma" Bridgett and Mr. Unknown .... then he was adopted by his grandparents, Clyde and Phyllis, Bridgett's parents. This makes things a little confusing on how we recognize your dad because that makes his mom his<i> "Sister"</i> and his grandparents his <i>"Mom & Dad" </i></p><p>For the sake of the FAMILY TREE though, we are going to base things biologically..</p><p></p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjycAGxaHsfbnLfwNArBW_fCjhPe0vBG1Qrj_oteI6uBp4CcTg3A_u_UciaSQ0chDQafNqXO9pJvgIl7H_TAKGVqJqNA6InaS-NtzPhmK-GsKCDG988C2WTNbgZZYjw_U7ggIcRoMZaCv-bnb936qmZtmNOaEorZTHikaM25ugkPxCdhuezVxg6s7AR8Q/s1064/All.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="709" data-original-width="1064" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjycAGxaHsfbnLfwNArBW_fCjhPe0vBG1Qrj_oteI6uBp4CcTg3A_u_UciaSQ0chDQafNqXO9pJvgIl7H_TAKGVqJqNA6InaS-NtzPhmK-GsKCDG988C2WTNbgZZYjw_U7ggIcRoMZaCv-bnb936qmZtmNOaEorZTHikaM25ugkPxCdhuezVxg6s7AR8Q/w640-h426/All.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p></p><p><b>Bridgett </b>is your grandmother, born in Illinois. <b>Mr. Unknown</b>, well, he is unknown. </p><p><b>Clyde </b>and <b>Phyllis</b> are your Great Grandparents.... they are both still alive. Both born in Illinois. </p><p>From this point, we are going to do Clyde's side ... and we'll do Phyllis' side next. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjofk67Olc-AJ-UJUKFkm11Ng063dWGa4ZwFouniqQfFAjuExwCSwgvPFNVfEGBHc02olpEysRKHLnMvk9wJZrxor5dVv79TiM5hf-VdQnSkTwWEPdoTZ0pGdZKiPBempEPin0IvwuTusIiqMucyEBpt5TREzvH02vis4jj43twHR1OTrlobZXykMhBlg/s1073/Clyde.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="363" data-original-width="1073" height="216" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjofk67Olc-AJ-UJUKFkm11Ng063dWGa4ZwFouniqQfFAjuExwCSwgvPFNVfEGBHc02olpEysRKHLnMvk9wJZrxor5dVv79TiM5hf-VdQnSkTwWEPdoTZ0pGdZKiPBempEPin0IvwuTusIiqMucyEBpt5TREzvH02vis4jj43twHR1OTrlobZXykMhBlg/w640-h216/Clyde.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p><b style="font-size: x-large;"><u>YOUR 2x Great Grandparents </u></b></p><p>Clyde's parent's were both born in Joliet, IL .... they were <b>Clyde & Verna Yahnke</b>. Your Great-Great Grandparents (so your 2x Great Grandparents)</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSvgTjTx1BU6TeuAT-qNUampcowKNE4NJB2MuutLXCxOT-8cXc5_GabgHDcpAiRc9btT5cK3jydhM-Nby26EV2cc5VrWKODdtRKyyXQc_iU1zZdDKDb8-yG6pNMSS5FAdjWe6HBqqOFsROLNoCaSLdpQ-l2XDTrcwRMLpPeyH4Du8viqlcaCbwiciYhA/s1197/7561969_133947429999.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="798" data-original-width="1197" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiSvgTjTx1BU6TeuAT-qNUampcowKNE4NJB2MuutLXCxOT-8cXc5_GabgHDcpAiRc9btT5cK3jydhM-Nby26EV2cc5VrWKODdtRKyyXQc_iU1zZdDKDb8-yG6pNMSS5FAdjWe6HBqqOFsROLNoCaSLdpQ-l2XDTrcwRMLpPeyH4Du8viqlcaCbwiciYhA/w640-h426/7561969_133947429999.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p><b style="font-size: x-large;"><u>YOUR 3x Great Grandparents </u></b></p><p>Clyde's parents, <b>Martin and Grace Yahnke</b> were also born in Illinois. Your Great-Great-Great Grandparents (so your 3x Great Grandparents)</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2oQLr8tdxV34TOeebU4nN7poocGTLtmQ0WTYM4e0AlBufDmSaUV7PUPkx_j9QGdP9hYbhd07wZy6FIljRJZbSNG5gQBgGyluq-qiWDgPQ9lKMZoAHH_V9C58TGHPZXUrmdW9Om3rcJstG0Y6P1244GTJDZ2L8OXvnUaMi2FF6OS8XcFUaDkxjhCRI1g/s700/90340338_133738748955.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="523" data-original-width="700" height="478" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEh2oQLr8tdxV34TOeebU4nN7poocGTLtmQ0WTYM4e0AlBufDmSaUV7PUPkx_j9QGdP9hYbhd07wZy6FIljRJZbSNG5gQBgGyluq-qiWDgPQ9lKMZoAHH_V9C58TGHPZXUrmdW9Om3rcJstG0Y6P1244GTJDZ2L8OXvnUaMi2FF6OS8XcFUaDkxjhCRI1g/w640-h478/90340338_133738748955.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNeAzjBdfDDYCFJtzq6nuIHVJSBCQcb2u5qnb0Ng-j2z5TWeuI9TDXxBA5cpX5653l84Gm59uMRisH0CyCBGPbMTZm_K1ytF1xUmQMItFfShyrPPgdXi9BwSHldbB6xHHczdlrpvhp53UsFffnJtw8UsyNQkecVtMFreAGyg23kV5GSXm-VSOlIEEirA/s1368/Grace%20Yahnke.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="890" data-original-width="1368" height="416" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhNeAzjBdfDDYCFJtzq6nuIHVJSBCQcb2u5qnb0Ng-j2z5TWeuI9TDXxBA5cpX5653l84Gm59uMRisH0CyCBGPbMTZm_K1ytF1xUmQMItFfShyrPPgdXi9BwSHldbB6xHHczdlrpvhp53UsFffnJtw8UsyNQkecVtMFreAGyg23kV5GSXm-VSOlIEEirA/w640-h416/Grace%20Yahnke.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p>Verna's parents were <b>Robert and Winifred Lambert</b>, also both born in Illinois. Your Great-Great-Great Grandparents (so your 3x Great Grandparents)</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLiO3aiMdMMaj3kEJDU-QHvfvH7yrQan9fSlQtEUT35Q2d_j8W__gWaRyHNt6vCj85hlkBmhneUK72WN6Y3vXApCvlk8mLQn4PggkX9BZJCm_fgo1bg7av7JMWhEeFPeehZPdVKAC17Zvo2kZFt250RPJNbVJLptQDe3f_pD1by_T5XjRLK29ljrPZTg/s2148/147765162_1434130033.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="561" data-original-width="2148" height="168" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjLiO3aiMdMMaj3kEJDU-QHvfvH7yrQan9fSlQtEUT35Q2d_j8W__gWaRyHNt6vCj85hlkBmhneUK72WN6Y3vXApCvlk8mLQn4PggkX9BZJCm_fgo1bg7av7JMWhEeFPeehZPdVKAC17Zvo2kZFt250RPJNbVJLptQDe3f_pD1by_T5XjRLK29ljrPZTg/w640-h168/147765162_1434130033.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p><span style="font-size: large;"><b><u>YOUR 4x Great Grandparents </u></b></span></p><p>Martin's parents <b>Daniel and Roselie Yahnke</b> were born in Prussia. Daniel was born in 1842 and Roselie was born in 1844.</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgiGqV1y75anlVWD6EQklz5M0EBj4M3I1_VWLv754MqdqNkV3LJQIUZ8WBluOWuAir4EgfT_DFTAU3j3mlfKyYUE0ULcGJwDleJryqueV6ZOXJ5lEPn_vs0G7XWuH_vZGy6ZD7Z5BMyflW_Yqe1Fp4UooCFnVs7HhUsLjbQKgnSmWpcXE9zUOR_UPbQGg/s1368/90340366_133738754639.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="896" data-original-width="1368" height="420" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgiGqV1y75anlVWD6EQklz5M0EBj4M3I1_VWLv754MqdqNkV3LJQIUZ8WBluOWuAir4EgfT_DFTAU3j3mlfKyYUE0ULcGJwDleJryqueV6ZOXJ5lEPn_vs0G7XWuH_vZGy6ZD7Z5BMyflW_Yqe1Fp4UooCFnVs7HhUsLjbQKgnSmWpcXE9zUOR_UPbQGg/w640-h420/90340366_133738754639.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgd06VviP-oyt1hp6aLlW7k4GdsLRogTH2LJH4gSG7lwLWXwSGsly6N6qtPM6sIdClcpI3gB5NWXYoHaeGJtDnExoq9MX9FJLbwP2iA8cUPePJdGm0DIwuNh0Rfm_EZGduHU83WscKqq1MYzk67yXY1fBhNbWBmUBkIeAH5N9zQNpYfEYmeZGZNBEbMhg/s700/90340350_133738752225.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="433" data-original-width="700" height="396" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgd06VviP-oyt1hp6aLlW7k4GdsLRogTH2LJH4gSG7lwLWXwSGsly6N6qtPM6sIdClcpI3gB5NWXYoHaeGJtDnExoq9MX9FJLbwP2iA8cUPePJdGm0DIwuNh0Rfm_EZGduHU83WscKqq1MYzk67yXY1fBhNbWBmUBkIeAH5N9zQNpYfEYmeZGZNBEbMhg/w640-h396/90340350_133738752225.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p>Prussia is what is now, Poland and a lot of Germany. It was heavily populated with Jews. </p><p>Yahnke or normally spelled Janke, Jahnke or some version of that, is typically a Jewish surname. When asked the family if there was Jewish heritage, they say no. However, there were rumors that were heard that there was Jewish heritage. The name suggests that there is definitely Jewish heritage. No one would confirm it. </p><p>When your uncle Dennis got his DNA test done through Ancestry, it came up - specifically Jewish heritage at one point. In our eyes, that pretty much confirmed the connection. </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-xA-dxKdT8cNlLsWMPKhHcBie3FIqlOUXfRRNW7DzNnvKmWJwQsfw1nGnTv8UsAS9n_bsssCP_JlTz4JqLuX58bHMdTFPZpBr_opxlSxwmD7GEZrg5eG0XIvatfvwi6zVThQ_DG1n537U9_UkYF8AleTvMLUmMJysKa_MJz0_biuYa1hTrBGuQ003VQ/s1226/002.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="562" data-original-width="1226" height="294" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj-xA-dxKdT8cNlLsWMPKhHcBie3FIqlOUXfRRNW7DzNnvKmWJwQsfw1nGnTv8UsAS9n_bsssCP_JlTz4JqLuX58bHMdTFPZpBr_opxlSxwmD7GEZrg5eG0XIvatfvwi6zVThQ_DG1n537U9_UkYF8AleTvMLUmMJysKa_MJz0_biuYa1hTrBGuQ003VQ/w640-h294/002.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">You can see the last thing on the list is "European Jewish" </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiW3v5MwBPN3KFjE4ikIdgQzvHKXmKQnLS3R9PLdQSsqGM4z3K48C9zZwzNe9HnrNyxyvYgzlbW9Q7jNIjvYanYnbySzchNVTob-YCrKNGrGSR9NnwiT8p9oFD3dk9Hebcj6eqhQcOclLUv0PWQAxKUfAfdsFYuM7uV1FPgGH0pvyV6boNlWA4gyuP0Jg/s403/003%20b.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="365" data-original-width="403" height="363" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiW3v5MwBPN3KFjE4ikIdgQzvHKXmKQnLS3R9PLdQSsqGM4z3K48C9zZwzNe9HnrNyxyvYgzlbW9Q7jNIjvYanYnbySzchNVTob-YCrKNGrGSR9NnwiT8p9oFD3dk9Hebcj6eqhQcOclLUv0PWQAxKUfAfdsFYuM7uV1FPgGH0pvyV6boNlWA4gyuP0Jg/w400-h363/003%20b.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">So like I said - even though it's so little (and so many generations back) it pretty much confirmed it for us. </div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">It's possible that Daniel Yahnke was perhaps Jewish growing up. Maybe changed religion once he came to America. This is a possible passenger listening for Daniel to have traveled to America to come live. Notice the name was spelled with a 'J" instead of a "Y" ... it was common when people arrived in America that they would change their names slightly or outright, depending. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYnO7VhnZikNMUazAKPSk3MK0xM_LtLcGzq2r1TW-jJsxV0_iBeMkzwRnnKtnw1sA8MmEU0FECFr_R5p5y12P-aB3godKuCXY0xPdQV3Ut6J8QGWHSbuen0BsBjGldZ7zSZ5PY06OF00XNA8XAnAuailD_-rxaZaMmGAzNp-c_3TQv13cw_vU0D5CUag/s528/possible%20Passenger%20Listing%20Daniel%20Yahnke.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="365" data-original-width="528" height="276" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgYnO7VhnZikNMUazAKPSk3MK0xM_LtLcGzq2r1TW-jJsxV0_iBeMkzwRnnKtnw1sA8MmEU0FECFr_R5p5y12P-aB3godKuCXY0xPdQV3Ut6J8QGWHSbuen0BsBjGldZ7zSZ5PY06OF00XNA8XAnAuailD_-rxaZaMmGAzNp-c_3TQv13cw_vU0D5CUag/w400-h276/possible%20Passenger%20Listing%20Daniel%20Yahnke.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghFspoLpc9MbACTmRWBBmwfxhuDfpbsdI70Jfdqwi5puvYw5zlXokzR-6azSFiT5YWCxdbiQ7gztjIrDm76RQLP56Zv3PIPC184pKoLE6VWmRI_SG2tj_XCxFUuQnyufBSyOmgIqRTklO0wJ2gWV1fzhb_TVoovRJoxiFuhMPiJNawC0kj3eENHocd2Q/s1696/Daniel%20Yahnke%20Possible%20Passenger%20List%20b.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1696" data-original-width="1572" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEghFspoLpc9MbACTmRWBBmwfxhuDfpbsdI70Jfdqwi5puvYw5zlXokzR-6azSFiT5YWCxdbiQ7gztjIrDm76RQLP56Zv3PIPC184pKoLE6VWmRI_SG2tj_XCxFUuQnyufBSyOmgIqRTklO0wJ2gWV1fzhb_TVoovRJoxiFuhMPiJNawC0kj3eENHocd2Q/w594-h640/Daniel%20Yahnke%20Possible%20Passenger%20List%20b.jpg" width="594" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Grace's parents were <b>Jospeh & Mary Dixon</b> - Joseph was born in 1854 in Woodborough, Nottinghamshire, England .... Mary was born in 1867 in Illinois. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi2VeKWNMPjndi008Bsp1ToXeG884lofu6d-jPt6s14bHv5recymcEBk_oFTjvyQrDdGaPaIXuJnAbjMRJjxf7qgLsa_94zdfjXYjh2D_rwp6HGbarktXLyiP6z4dZsXiDbYV-_3IYU-gt88HoL-89Evd4QXKVGrpOSVpR2nbqSLZ485xj_2NwOkgopeA/s2048/111610929_137018838520.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1536" data-original-width="2048" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEi2VeKWNMPjndi008Bsp1ToXeG884lofu6d-jPt6s14bHv5recymcEBk_oFTjvyQrDdGaPaIXuJnAbjMRJjxf7qgLsa_94zdfjXYjh2D_rwp6HGbarktXLyiP6z4dZsXiDbYV-_3IYU-gt88HoL-89Evd4QXKVGrpOSVpR2nbqSLZ485xj_2NwOkgopeA/w640-h480/111610929_137018838520.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuenfLGf_PIiu9grzArvqGBY-vANz9mK5Afn9yEjEL8Tfdj2Q4sEVdG90PNg5gFNBWDQCOsydD_HkUKwWewsIaQT2hegfIEYqOV6o12BRGXZ7hF3AqD0-gezsWstXWbmaRuRGZ0LluEQco8lAvNiIVFJvtjEruQdElHyTLjfcb4YUrGGLVdUfEYiKIZA/s2048/111610928_137018835567.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1536" data-original-width="2048" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjuenfLGf_PIiu9grzArvqGBY-vANz9mK5Afn9yEjEL8Tfdj2Q4sEVdG90PNg5gFNBWDQCOsydD_HkUKwWewsIaQT2hegfIEYqOV6o12BRGXZ7hF3AqD0-gezsWstXWbmaRuRGZ0LluEQco8lAvNiIVFJvtjEruQdElHyTLjfcb4YUrGGLVdUfEYiKIZA/w640-h480/111610928_137018835567.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I will go one step further with Mary since she was born in Illinois. Her parents (your 5x Great Grandparents) are<b> John & Maria Blogg</b>. John was born in 1818 in Boston, Norfolk, England. Maria was born in 1827 in Crownthorpe, Norfolk, England.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><i>(currently do not have photo of their grave/s)</i></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">So now you know, that even though Mary was born in Illinois, her roots were British. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Robert Lambert's parents are a bit of a mystery. We believe that they are named <b>Thomas and Mary Lambert </b>but we don't really have any information on them, not really birth years or where they are from. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><i>(currently do not have photo of their grave/s)</i></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">The surname Lambert is very commonly a French surname. However there were many in England too, including some prominent ones. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Winifred's parents are <b>Bernard and Winifred McNiff</b>. Bernard was born in 1849 Rhode Island, United States and Winifred was born in 1852 in Ireland, </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiavN4-mbOLXJgNdZcGh-_b2dWOJ3hGLLDGE5QJX-KXQnXVEiBx9TiFrBQy1pYrouQOPjGpA_z91UUJIaYvDBiOnDTh1WxhpH1tQSxxBfJtDXra3E7YS4gjuC2Kf0zfMDeHeqFgxC_bt0xRm6xLYT7W8SuexUs1EOU1vpEusAVkKDMsk2lqho8jHpcQaA/s1936/89776219_135554039690.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1288" data-original-width="1936" height="426" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiavN4-mbOLXJgNdZcGh-_b2dWOJ3hGLLDGE5QJX-KXQnXVEiBx9TiFrBQy1pYrouQOPjGpA_z91UUJIaYvDBiOnDTh1WxhpH1tQSxxBfJtDXra3E7YS4gjuC2Kf0zfMDeHeqFgxC_bt0xRm6xLYT7W8SuexUs1EOU1vpEusAVkKDMsk2lqho8jHpcQaA/w640-h426/89776219_135554039690.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">Now, again, since Bernard was born in Rhode Island I'll go a generation back for you. So Bernard's parents are <b>John and Bridget McNiff</b>. John was born in 1816 in Ireland. Bridget was born in 1824 in Ireland.</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjITyuvsuyJI6d1NOi2ERfuZOfkWkHauKEYsdXRxLA6Yli9meU1UNq8uqm9vQv97ILcUGbzgamDXwjgyjq9llIsoKZ5wZ-4YN8gqrWxMI8_YktxcTytzHaMip4-DYQUM-akUWwBI9O6j-8Ip2tRiAzwQviixzj4cpICIdyNG681YPoicuWcSew_YCxfnA/s1536/83806057_132718453688.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1536" data-original-width="1433" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjITyuvsuyJI6d1NOi2ERfuZOfkWkHauKEYsdXRxLA6Yli9meU1UNq8uqm9vQv97ILcUGbzgamDXwjgyjq9llIsoKZ5wZ-4YN8gqrWxMI8_YktxcTytzHaMip4-DYQUM-akUWwBI9O6j-8Ip2tRiAzwQviixzj4cpICIdyNG681YPoicuWcSew_YCxfnA/w598-h640/83806057_132718453688.jpg" width="598" /></a></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">I find it REALLY interesting that I have more information on <i><span style="font-size: medium;">Bernard & Winifred</span></i> then I do on generations closer to us. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">One thing is that Winifred's surname (maiden name) is Cregg or Craig and it's Scottish. Scotland and Ireland are close together and I would assume it would be easy enough to move from one to the other. This is the Coat of Arms. </div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCgcRsDm9L2Iv-lgfXycsuH6agC52asO6gyIiadGm23wwiLp_QkVZgo9IioRKQlhTyGna7iEWvOw06Hqr5ogTz759hR3XYHe-923S6xSvZ-KXzChi74uGcEIqFCXWg6KWmQnZvubJm2LLyLtxeVPTzyJKsNT8g_FxiXFeDFscyB1ErVUBq8H8NOj-OSg/s400/0e0f88b8-178f-4a5f-937d-1631d6f164d3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="400" data-original-width="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiCgcRsDm9L2Iv-lgfXycsuH6agC52asO6gyIiadGm23wwiLp_QkVZgo9IioRKQlhTyGna7iEWvOw06Hqr5ogTz759hR3XYHe-923S6xSvZ-KXzChi74uGcEIqFCXWg6KWmQnZvubJm2LLyLtxeVPTzyJKsNT8g_FxiXFeDFscyB1ErVUBq8H8NOj-OSg/s16000/0e0f88b8-178f-4a5f-937d-1631d6f164d3.jpg" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">This interesting surname is of Scottish locational origin from any of the various places thus called, including Craig in North East Forfarshire, and Craig in South Ayrshire. The name derives from the Old Gaelic "creag" meaning rock, a word that has been borrowed in Middle English as "crag". In some instances, the name may be topographical, from residence by a steep or precipitous rock. Anneys del Crage of Edinburgh and Johan del Cragge of Lanarkshire rendered homage to John Balliol in 1296, and in 1323 reference was made to the land of James del Crag, son and heir of John del Crag, in Ayrshire. In "Proceedings of the Society of Antiquaries", Edinburgh, "the dramatic intervention of John of the Craig with his band of three hundred, who played a decisive part in the battle of Culblean on November 30th 1335" is referred to. Notable namebearers include John Craig (died 1655), who was physician to James 1 and to Charles 1, and James Craig (died 1795); an architect, who published designs for the laying out of Edinburgh New Town in 1767. The first recorded spelling of the family name is shown to be that of Johannes del Crag, which was dated circa 1165, a charter witness, recorded in "Early Records of Scotland", during the reign of King William, known as "The Lion" of Scotland, 1165 - 1214. Surnames became necessary when governments introduced personal taxation. In England this was known as Poll Tax. Throughout the centuries, surnames in every country have continued to "develop" often leading to astonishing variants of the original spelling. Read more: http://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/craig#ixzz2B0zJCHMU</div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;"><br /></div>Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-61520114179562326282022-06-08T10:41:00.000-07:002022-06-08T10:41:55.874-07:00Let's Reflect On DNA ~ My DNA<table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><tbody><tr><td style="text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyXG8unCxBDHWGaJNAsQzEPVNaR7uwb2YJ9s9OfYrpzZ0mH_4nuCxqB-GfFgB2TfcPJgWq75Us3Ot6Mvt3Z-wVISV0O179FDzRNyWFq8cfzcoc67IcVOjJYKk_IeCWEqprFrtGhmLjAoCw0CF5WJ9yq7XDcNT0ItAlanrcZszP2PSuDTxD80h8R3xTRQ/s3500/285801971_712468460086007_9137780098041839490_n.png" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto;"><img border="0" data-original-height="3500" data-original-width="3500" height="400" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhyXG8unCxBDHWGaJNAsQzEPVNaR7uwb2YJ9s9OfYrpzZ0mH_4nuCxqB-GfFgB2TfcPJgWq75Us3Ot6Mvt3Z-wVISV0O179FDzRNyWFq8cfzcoc67IcVOjJYKk_IeCWEqprFrtGhmLjAoCw0CF5WJ9yq7XDcNT0ItAlanrcZszP2PSuDTxD80h8R3xTRQ/w400-h400/285801971_712468460086007_9137780098041839490_n.png" width="400" /></a></td></tr><tr><td class="tr-caption" style="text-align: center;">My kids and I are the bear den ... </td></tr></tbody></table><p>I got Ancestry DNA Kits over 5 years ago, for my (then) husband and I. It was our "anniversary" gift - for each other. <i> Basically I bought my own gift and called it ours - I mean - let's be real.... </i></p><p>The results, when they hit, I thought were so fucking amazing! Mostly because it confirmed the fact that I'm Irish. But I mean - the rest was cool too..... called myself the "<i>whitest white girl ever</i>" ..... Total European blood going on here.... </p><p>Through the years - the "results" have adjusted and changed based on newer tests and being able to test different things. So it's been interesting ... over the years .... watching it change. I get more Irish and it makes me so happy and then bam ... it changes again!! Then I am Scottish too and I'm thinking .... Oooooooooohhhhhhh .. yes please! </p><p>So - the tests have changed percentages and added things here and there..... </p><p>I also got my son's Calahan and Noah tested - their father my first ex husband ... hasn't done an Ancestry DNA test and likely won't... so I felt it was important to get them tested first. </p><p>Kaedyn has expressed wanting his done - so I have kept it in mind and for Mother's Day - while the kits were on sale (almost half off) ... I got three more. One for Nathan, one for Kaedyn, and one for Noah's girlfriend Melly who was "adopted" through the foster care system. </p><p>Melly got put in the foster system around the age of 7, I won't say why. She was then later adopted. I won't get into the crap she went through - but needless to say, she has disowned her adoptive family. She does know her birth mom and some of her family. She'd like me to do her family tree. However that's going to take her mom giving up information. </p><p>Also - when I did Noah and Calahan's tests, I got a test for my boyfriend Larry. </p><p>So this is what my results looked like when I got them in 2016</p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVNAMCOuhe5j1Mjx-3IiaHEQYbvLBPfZiMt0H1VAoboVa33-wrCq4idfzjd5j2bu9KAq1AkvtN7BdRYsO91eZeYEzBSOrxq9sT4itUs6W02xLKaQqctwa_ujLD3BGe6B18P5QIfJrQzZhyIUV_ma8pRvmZ_v_dyJAt1dTywxbRul3b34IeYr18G3lbDg/s1195/002.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="558" data-original-width="1195" height="298" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjVNAMCOuhe5j1Mjx-3IiaHEQYbvLBPfZiMt0H1VAoboVa33-wrCq4idfzjd5j2bu9KAq1AkvtN7BdRYsO91eZeYEzBSOrxq9sT4itUs6W02xLKaQqctwa_ujLD3BGe6B18P5QIfJrQzZhyIUV_ma8pRvmZ_v_dyJAt1dTywxbRul3b34IeYr18G3lbDg/w640-h298/002.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><p>These are my results now.... </p><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSEJGAz7fFl3dwCZcsTTEklGL9-aFbFvf-Yuava3oP7ABZlZw0kk9shgYIW18_f3Qe2U3Z-b4uUBO-7pcuuR3NEy6imGWhq5RBVHjdQaJD5EITYJjfYvtxEreRphExmub2H8G3a_NBmZm_jOu9fPnIuUh8B8j5arTd_O9gyiOgYUj8JSuAoEfsab_7kA/s1212/Annissa_DNA_8Jun2022.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="721" data-original-width="1212" height="380" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhSEJGAz7fFl3dwCZcsTTEklGL9-aFbFvf-Yuava3oP7ABZlZw0kk9shgYIW18_f3Qe2U3Z-b4uUBO-7pcuuR3NEy6imGWhq5RBVHjdQaJD5EITYJjfYvtxEreRphExmub2H8G3a_NBmZm_jOu9fPnIuUh8B8j5arTd_O9gyiOgYUj8JSuAoEfsab_7kA/w640-h380/Annissa_DNA_8Jun2022.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div>Vastly different. <div><br /></div><div>They also added a new feature where you can from which parent you got what ... </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQKF6KkgPFqdlRC7HDRwW1OEIf9aDyUk2Pnl0UXdu021lhm1-8y6pzT4PxL2SJyUrC7SVk4duOg7ym3tbO3tGyxdQ18X6bVzIBwdmBqvvvIrDK4_l5UEATPc05wQ93chEqGqVJfPVUl5gyATcqbvNQhlRvEHTHHb9_m8kGcMt92XfP0dd8VgWa8cNdzg/s842/Annissa1pDNA_8Jun2022.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="399" data-original-width="842" height="304" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiQKF6KkgPFqdlRC7HDRwW1OEIf9aDyUk2Pnl0UXdu021lhm1-8y6pzT4PxL2SJyUrC7SVk4duOg7ym3tbO3tGyxdQ18X6bVzIBwdmBqvvvIrDK4_l5UEATPc05wQ93chEqGqVJfPVUl5gyATcqbvNQhlRvEHTHHb9_m8kGcMt92XfP0dd8VgWa8cNdzg/w640-h304/Annissa1pDNA_8Jun2022.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4MtRBNAK6oY-atWlDsvRMLBnnQ1geReMEPkik9d3lDmQ9TgKpBXI1xITalVBjqQ-Nxwln5yC5OOVfnv3L_8mQitjBo_AFkjrKtRrRkUO9Z0z4KwMAmJnx6uacN8F5SHATa_4EQToi8CA4QjAVriBdH5IuAzzxtjAK6xVRYOq6X1ftjNhmKeDPETEN_A/s625/Annissa2pDNA_8Jun2022.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="478" data-original-width="625" height="490" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj4MtRBNAK6oY-atWlDsvRMLBnnQ1geReMEPkik9d3lDmQ9TgKpBXI1xITalVBjqQ-Nxwln5yC5OOVfnv3L_8mQitjBo_AFkjrKtRrRkUO9Z0z4KwMAmJnx6uacN8F5SHATa_4EQToi8CA4QjAVriBdH5IuAzzxtjAK6xVRYOq6X1ftjNhmKeDPETEN_A/w640-h490/Annissa2pDNA_8Jun2022.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div><p>I figured out - based on what I know about my ancestry - and the others that I did - that Parent #1 is the Sperm Donor and that Parent #2 is the Egg Donor. And it's going to be like that with everyone because if they did switch that shit up it'd be too fucking confusing ... </p><p>So my Irish comes from my Dad - no shock there, my grandmother (his mother) is supposed to be full Irish. I did get a sliver of Irish from my Mom's side. </p><p>German is a split, I got 10% from my Dad and 17% from my mom.</p><p>Norwegian is not a shocker - my Great Grandmother - my Mom's Dad's Mom - was full Norwegian. Her name was Olga - how much more Norwegian can you get? </p><p>The English is a 5% (Dad) 9% (Mom) split ... </p><p>I got all my Scottish from my Dad</p><p>And Sweden & Denmark is 1% my Dad and 3% my Mom .... </p><p>And those are the ingredients that made me!! </p><p><br /></p></div>Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-52038359644089999602022-06-07T22:36:00.002-07:002022-06-07T22:36:32.464-07:00Interesting Question... to Nazi or not to Nazi <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWBaU6ao4Y7PJuL01SbAUezz54vukpYxzZ_H6T07HX1eWsyWkc0I4ykQK43f_sRBDZa0GzEoPsSF1M9vKqH8HgOVgxPrSO7w3aPCe7pL5qzaVOzQRyanSQacm81JxzwNPYJpkn4v7WtAzu_EADuX0ZiGlD_mJHcicdCKxACw2Oqm-kLoFrux7STieFmg/s1536/German-flag-on-Sky-PPT-Art-Design-1536x1152.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="1152" data-original-width="1536" height="480" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWBaU6ao4Y7PJuL01SbAUezz54vukpYxzZ_H6T07HX1eWsyWkc0I4ykQK43f_sRBDZa0GzEoPsSF1M9vKqH8HgOVgxPrSO7w3aPCe7pL5qzaVOzQRyanSQacm81JxzwNPYJpkn4v7WtAzu_EADuX0ZiGlD_mJHcicdCKxACw2Oqm-kLoFrux7STieFmg/w640-h480/German-flag-on-Sky-PPT-Art-Design-1536x1152.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div>So ... my ex-husband, my soon to be ex husband, my children and I all have German blood coursing through our veins.... all varies amounts. <br />
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My soon to be ex husband has - for sure - confirmed the rumors of Jewish ancestors ... and although his specific line had already come to America by the time Hitler started to pound his way through the Jewish populations in Europe. Even KNOWING that there were kin - at the time - most likely still living there .. cousins and such ... it's sobering. Even for me, and I've found now factual Jewish lines. It's still heartbreaking and brings this sense of loss and anger. Huge loss and so much anger. <div><br /></div><div>I also admit I am fascinated with that time period. All those Nazi bunkers buried under the Earth with miles of tunnels and hidden rooms. </div><div><br /></div><div>The controversy/conspiracy of did Hitler die, or did he escape. It's interesting. </div><div><br /></div><div>I watch Jewish documentaries and cry, my heart breaks and my soul is shatterd. I can't understand how someone can do that to another living soul. </div><div><br /></div><div>And I watch stuff on them discovering this or that underground tunnel system or the above ground stuff too. I love architecture but mostly it's the abandoned for over 50 years and finding it now.... and I find the mad brilliance fascinating. </div><div><br /></div><div>It's part of history and no one can fix the absolute devastation that was caused on human life and feelings of being safe in not only your own community but your own skin. Also, I can't help but be fascinated with other aspects. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNR5B5tc4Oj_q7z16jgbKxoHorJaCRmXspXd2Br6vwGCvIoF0KKpppOeTIRf2Y9-ACzmD8F_PKvjQChv_N28lgoOHZQC1bmqXIMvsHAw2UJDKDtLNysWty511c6KQJGqV5xWqMLEKL9bF3xrcVtKKLz0zxB-quwdi4zyskXH_1HGW2f0bzeaECmXTFKA/s728/1_zEjEY8RhZS4s_WrFVAL6QA.jpeg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="716" data-original-width="728" height="630" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgNR5B5tc4Oj_q7z16jgbKxoHorJaCRmXspXd2Br6vwGCvIoF0KKpppOeTIRf2Y9-ACzmD8F_PKvjQChv_N28lgoOHZQC1bmqXIMvsHAw2UJDKDtLNysWty511c6KQJGqV5xWqMLEKL9bF3xrcVtKKLz0zxB-quwdi4zyskXH_1HGW2f0bzeaECmXTFKA/w640-h630/1_zEjEY8RhZS4s_WrFVAL6QA.jpeg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>I recently read this article about a woman who was basically hired to have "Hitler's Babies" ... not actually Hitler's but .... babies with the proper blood lines. I had no idea this even went on. </div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.historyextra.com/period/second-world-war/woman-birth-hitler-lebensborn-aryan-child-hildegard-trutz-germany/?fbclid=IwAR3BfvAJG-oV06D2jul28639SCU0G30iHj6R3h_fpVv9V3-9MdN3UDP1FM0" style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration-line: underline;" target="_blank">The woman who gave birth for Hitler</a> </span> <---- the article I had read.<span style="font-size: medium;"> </span></div><div><br /></div><div>I guess girls were found, with the appropriate looks and pedigree, I guess... and they were taken to these places where they would .... well.... procreate with S.S. Soldiers, They would get pregnant. Have their babies, and then the babies would be taken and raised in some institution so that they could be properly brainwashed to believe and live the Nazi ideals. </div><div><br /></div><div>It blew my mind. </div><div><br /></div><div>And all I can think is - what happened to all those babies??? </div><div><br /></div><div>Well - first off.... it wasn't Hitler's Babies. It was Himmlers. Heinrich Himmler created the program for a few reasons. During World War I there was a catastrophic loss of life for German soldiers. The birth rate post-war plummeted because so there was a shortage of German men to marry and have children with the "<i>nice German women</i>." And his precious Aryan race was depleting. There were not proper families being formed, which lead to the second problem. German women were choosing to have abortions rather than give birth if they were not meeting society standards of marriage and then children ..... it is estimated that 800,000 abortions were happening every year. Himmler, being the nice guy he was (that was sarcasm) wanted to give these women a place to go to have their babies. </div><div><br /></div><div>Then - after that kind hearted gesture (ha ha) he realized that he could control who had babies and the type of people having babies. He could stack numbers of babies that meet the Aryan race criteria and create a wind fall of exactly what he wanted. </div><div><br /></div><div>So - women started applying to be part of the LEBENSBORN PROGRAM. Some people also refer to it as Fountain of Life that was created by RFSS Himmler.</div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT7PDvK-9RFRDEMuz0ayx93NP7l6L3jN_mhkZu69i7qbjwUHdzZ3HmG2jSaHih2BBcoy4kD73GO70nullfsWKh5xarxwZ8x4crQ4D1fhco0Bq0I7zYeSMQhL3GM93irFbV4v9AQLp6Cy4SSAi6vQBvjosEX19VHdj1WdHZj2g5y017O3SqWFywXLltMA/s933/women-were-forced-to-sign-their-children-over-to-the-state-after-giving-birth-photo-u3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="933" data-original-width="650" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhT7PDvK-9RFRDEMuz0ayx93NP7l6L3jN_mhkZu69i7qbjwUHdzZ3HmG2jSaHih2BBcoy4kD73GO70nullfsWKh5xarxwZ8x4crQ4D1fhco0Bq0I7zYeSMQhL3GM93irFbV4v9AQLp6Cy4SSAi6vQBvjosEX19VHdj1WdHZj2g5y017O3SqWFywXLltMA/w446-h640/women-were-forced-to-sign-their-children-over-to-the-state-after-giving-birth-photo-u3.jpg" width="446" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div><div>"Lebensborn" means various things I guess.... I have seen a couple ... most often I see that it means; "Spring of Life," or “Fount of Life.” It was a way for the Germans a way to rebuild their population of racially acceptable citizens. Because no ordinary citizen would do. </div><div><br /></div><div><div>Himmler realized this was also the opportunity to control who was breeding and being born, and the Lebensborn program became a way for Nazis to lend a helping hand to "racially and genetically valuable families with many children." </div><div><br /></div><div>A series of Nazi-sponsored children's homes were set up throughout the Reich. The very first one opened up in 1937 in a Munich suburb.</div></div><div><br /></div><div>In order to be accepted into the program, you had to do the following.</div><div><br /></div><div>.* Parents needed to prove German ancestry, documented, several generations back.</div><div> * rigorous testing proving no genetic diseases or disabilities. </div><div> * DEFINITELY NOT JEWISH (<i>assholes</i>) </div><div> * Dedicated to the Nazi cause</div><div> </div><div>Failing ANY of that criteria would get the mother turned away. It was said only about 40% of women were accepted. I am sure looks took a part in it also. But that's just my opinion. cuz they were assholes and it seems like an asshole thing to do. </div><div><br /></div><div>Fathers, by the way, had to meet the same criteria - and they did all this in secret from their wives and children, if they had them already. Men were encouraged to take as many women as they could and have as many babies as they could father to improve the population. So men - spread your seed far and wide - but only with the right women. </div><div><br /></div><div>Himmler expected every SS officer to have at least four children. Legitimate or illegitimate.</div><div><br /></div><div>I think that - unwed mothers - who were already pregnant - would be accepted into the program if they met the criteria. I don't know this for a fact but Himmler's thought was to provide a place for the unwed mothers to go and have their child away from the judging eyes. So I believe that happened. </div><div><br /></div><div>I also read an interview with one of the women who applied for the program to get pregnant and to have a baby for the greater cause. (<i>Ugh</i>) </div><div><br /></div><div>During their initiation, they were told they would have to sign documents stating they had no rights to their babies, that the babies would be taken to a special place to be raised as loyal Nazi citizens. </div><div><br /></div><div>These women would go through all the testing and documentation and then they would move into these compounds. Their cycles would be monitored and then at the right time, there would be a "date" night with S.S. Soldiers - to see if they connected with any - and if they did - they would basically have a one night stand { <i>wink, wink, smooch</i> } .... and hope to get pregnant. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfst_LbJOrJd4VwK9RM4vapEQd3WNlSEBiE3bkAE89Va_pQj0KqhD4RZJFWYq4KdokX5XvaxOceaMcovNxB382IJfSCKk_G8P5X_dkeCSPaOeaUFpjeP3-hbAuGWb9Qikyf6i5OzZyhIwjsJ1L4jYszV0BV90qkPgI1vU8kkDD4IzrynriP4IQbGn2gA/s650/women-were-selected-to-participate-in-lebensborn-if-they-fit-strict-criteria-photo-u2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="592" data-original-width="650" height="582" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjfst_LbJOrJd4VwK9RM4vapEQd3WNlSEBiE3bkAE89Va_pQj0KqhD4RZJFWYq4KdokX5XvaxOceaMcovNxB382IJfSCKk_G8P5X_dkeCSPaOeaUFpjeP3-hbAuGWb9Qikyf6i5OzZyhIwjsJ1L4jYszV0BV90qkPgI1vU8kkDD4IzrynriP4IQbGn2gA/w640-h582/women-were-selected-to-participate-in-lebensborn-if-they-fit-strict-criteria-photo-u2.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlPCVe1wqYz7se9taUbidnfO0EXzKA-f0T8VDK1_GrE6gV4D5NaRvfyt_AExheWHCf5ienUe2MK96FDWzx8cX8GoTlt1Fu6PNfOWlW5pITSjW6X50L0opJp_hkM7xs-xPb5Xe3YTaEwkH8Xfsvtk8S_EOjvc2IsolhtqyNVa479r1oiALnH3Wr1tcPHQ/s813/7R0cX4pe_ufG0h74IDIrtycxOLI.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="527" data-original-width="813" height="414" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjlPCVe1wqYz7se9taUbidnfO0EXzKA-f0T8VDK1_GrE6gV4D5NaRvfyt_AExheWHCf5ienUe2MK96FDWzx8cX8GoTlt1Fu6PNfOWlW5pITSjW6X50L0opJp_hkM7xs-xPb5Xe3YTaEwkH8Xfsvtk8S_EOjvc2IsolhtqyNVa479r1oiALnH3Wr1tcPHQ/w640-h414/7R0cX4pe_ufG0h74IDIrtycxOLI.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><br /><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjb2mn36LbKZkt2KHUyQ23u33AE0vFGuJdVE890zgvQSiwQyIO1c3V1DlOshqz5rQEX9_XoRxy_Xwk5oFediPMtKrdIUPWPtbdJUMAoAiUF1ni_4XW3gLG3cL5kDD2jUdvEqRWHRw3kXD70eTgJin6lHSP2N6vBSoFEPJTrx2ssQwOi7wKLVztBr3K1Gw/s1095/nurseries.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="515" data-original-width="1095" height="302" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjb2mn36LbKZkt2KHUyQ23u33AE0vFGuJdVE890zgvQSiwQyIO1c3V1DlOshqz5rQEX9_XoRxy_Xwk5oFediPMtKrdIUPWPtbdJUMAoAiUF1ni_4XW3gLG3cL5kDD2jUdvEqRWHRw3kXD70eTgJin6lHSP2N6vBSoFEPJTrx2ssQwOi7wKLVztBr3K1Gw/w640-h302/nurseries.jpg" width="640" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>If they did, they would move to a different part of the compound, or move to another compound, and wait out the pregnancy. Once they went into labor, they would deliver, without aid. Apparently any "<i>good German woman</i>" wouldn't aid her birth by dulling the pain, that was frowned upon. </div><div><br /></div><div>They would "ween" their children for two weeks and then the child would be taken.</div><div> </div><div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4NPtr2fC8NzPjF_lHULKpDI6MJ-b4zsMkE5YYuKohKnymXTe2pSP2F0Q7LBTdkPWDCbOEZ4GXgW1gNHKBDWxi0fZA3cuZf0lmAnyf884nmSpVNjQZmBOxFuhW4QlcpudXzQIDW6Lzh1C6-TUbL_hFpNTldrfU5LtOLqIpUIq0vcLZncHkl8B7LdFyVw/s909/the-clinics-were-not-nazi-bordellos-_-children-were-conceived-in-very-average-ways-photo-u2.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="909" data-original-width="650" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEg4NPtr2fC8NzPjF_lHULKpDI6MJ-b4zsMkE5YYuKohKnymXTe2pSP2F0Q7LBTdkPWDCbOEZ4GXgW1gNHKBDWxi0fZA3cuZf0lmAnyf884nmSpVNjQZmBOxFuhW4QlcpudXzQIDW6Lzh1C6-TUbL_hFpNTldrfU5LtOLqIpUIq0vcLZncHkl8B7LdFyVw/w458-h640/the-clinics-were-not-nazi-bordellos-_-children-were-conceived-in-very-average-ways-photo-u2.jpg" width="458" /></a></div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; 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text-align: center;"><br /></div></div><div>Everyone in the "program" would have aliases. No one went by their own given name. Anonymity was key to the program. Because of this, and the fact that the Nazis' that be destroyed the birth certificates and paperwork for this program, thousands and thousands of children were left not knowing who their parents were ..... and what happened to them at the end of the war? </div><div><br /></div></div><div>So.... we have unwed mothers, we have woman who signed up for the cause, and then we come to all the children who were kidnapped. Yes, kidnapped. </div><div><br /></div><div>Another part of this program was kidnapping children that physically meet the criteria of an Aryan. Blond(e) hair, blue eyes... measurements would be taken, height, weight, teeth, head, distance between their eyes and who knows what else. Some children were just taken based on their looks. Later tested and examined. Some were tested and examined - accepted or rejected on site. </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwdRmWnRwZuq0Lwpuec92pcjex3HBVUSvtqLc4P0G7ROIZrVg8fQ3ydJ2mysjKDGW4l095x2npHWkkIyhK_EvTyJLemEvx_Gcvtws2ue70D6DrO7xSFuK6MNkGF_9v9faR0JSxesILXiDY9EAgwUm89E5tp2QAlxDnlCi6_uA5scM7kyaweHp9Qx3l0A/s650/when-lebensborn-children-discovered-their-secret-it-was-often-traumatic-_but-not-always-photo-u3.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="530" data-original-width="650" height="326" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiwdRmWnRwZuq0Lwpuec92pcjex3HBVUSvtqLc4P0G7ROIZrVg8fQ3ydJ2mysjKDGW4l095x2npHWkkIyhK_EvTyJLemEvx_Gcvtws2ue70D6DrO7xSFuK6MNkGF_9v9faR0JSxesILXiDY9EAgwUm89E5tp2QAlxDnlCi6_uA5scM7kyaweHp9Qx3l0A/w400-h326/when-lebensborn-children-discovered-their-secret-it-was-often-traumatic-_but-not-always-photo-u3.jpg" width="400" /></a></div><div><br /></div><div>Children were taken right out of their classrooms. Children were taken off the streets. Children were taken from the Jewish Concertation Camps. Yes, you read that right. JEWISH children were taken,, tests, accepted or rejected to be part of the Aryan society - and then were told they were no longer Polish or whatever they may have been and only allowed to speak German and raised to be part of the Nazi Cause. They were put in foster homes at first and later adopted into acceptable German families. </div><div><br /></div><div>So we have unwed pregnant women coming in - so they could have their babies and not have abortions.</div><div><br /></div><div>There were the women who decided to sacrifice their bodies for the cause</div><div><br /></div><div>And then there were the kidnapped children. </div><div><br /></div><div>{ sigh } Can you imagine what those parents went through that were kidnapped? Taken right out of school and didn't show up home when expected. Taken off the streets from their parents, I am sure if the parents objected they would be threatened and or shot. Ugh it breaks my heart. </div><div><br /></div><div>So what happened to the children who were born or kidnapped that were deemed unacceptable to the Aryan standard? </div><div><br /></div><div>Well ... they were put in orphanages, euthanized, or systematically executed (murdering assholes!).... </div><div><br /></div><div>Yep, you read that right. I read it and it made me absolutely sick. </div><div><br /></div><div>There was estimated 20,000 babies born into the program though the TRUE number will never be known. It was estimated between 100,000 and 200,000 children were kidnapped. </div><div><br /></div><div>These are children who really have no idea who their biological parents are. What their history is. How did their life start? Were they the product of a war? Or were they the product of love with a tragic ending? </div><div><br /></div><div>The singer, Anni-Frid Lyngstad, from ABBA, was one of these children. Her mother - Norwegian - and her father a Nazi sergeant .... born in 1945 out of wedlock and branded a <i>Tyskerbarnas</i> (a German Child) ... </div><div><br /></div><div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;"><a href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBm3zV5QT8zZ-cmACb43bXSSHrXnDEmTJneQN8Dry2Zb3W5UCvRrTFerIUmZNYwDlraJqCAH79fRTbw9VAmQZvsGn7zUgbaBP0aNlMv3HU5Ch617kdrZRz-XdOst_WgNHcm47Hn7FT5XwbSF0Eu8D3mgAm1fONjfYSuevQQ3oJLt3qT8aMfzN7f5f1yw/s800/abbafryda.jpg" imageanchor="1" style="margin-left: 1em; margin-right: 1em;"><img border="0" data-original-height="800" data-original-width="547" height="640" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhBm3zV5QT8zZ-cmACb43bXSSHrXnDEmTJneQN8Dry2Zb3W5UCvRrTFerIUmZNYwDlraJqCAH79fRTbw9VAmQZvsGn7zUgbaBP0aNlMv3HU5Ch617kdrZRz-XdOst_WgNHcm47Hn7FT5XwbSF0Eu8D3mgAm1fONjfYSuevQQ3oJLt3qT8aMfzN7f5f1yw/w438-h640/abbafryda.jpg" width="438" /></a></div><br /><div>These children are questioning and hurting .... some struggling, some declaring that they grew up happily and that's all that mattered. But the ones who want answers deserve them. And there aren't any. Most of them can't do a family tree because they don't know the name of their birth parents. </div><div><br /></div><div>There was an article I read - with a comment that touched me so much. I'm going to quote it. Linking the article first. </div><div><br /></div><div><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2016/09/16/hitlers-lebensborn-children-kidnappings-in-german-occupied-poland/" target="_blank">Hitler’s Lebensborn Children: Kidnappings in German-Occupied Poland</a></span></u></b></div><div><br /></div><div><header class="comment-author" style="background-color: #bf383a; box-sizing: inherit; color: white; display: flex; font-family: roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; height: 48px; line-height: 45px;"><div class="author-meta vcard" style="box-sizing: inherit; flex: 1 1 0%;"><span class="author-name" style="box-sizing: inherit; font-size: 1.4rem; font-weight: bold; margin-right: 5px;">Rena Shepherd</span> <time datetime="2020-12-16T14:59:31-05:00" style="box-sizing: inherit; font-size: 0.8rem;"><a href="https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/2016/09/16/hitlers-lebensborn-children-kidnappings-in-german-occupied-poland/#comment-18385" style="background: transparent; box-sizing: inherit; color: white; text-decoration-line: none;">December 16, 2020</a></time></div></header><section class="comment-content" style="box-sizing: inherit; font-family: roboto, sans-serif; font-size: 16px; padding: 10px 15px;"><p style="box-sizing: inherit; margin: 1.5rem 0px; overflow-wrap: break-word;">I am 80 years old now, have wondered all my life about who my real parents were. After reading this article, about the Brown Sisters, I recalled all my life that the woman who talked to me had a red cross on a white bunnet. I recall Lebensborn, remembering a lot of little kids laying outside on a little blanket sleeping and beside each child was a little white potty with a handle on it. I walked from child to child picking up the potties and trying to stack them on top of each other. This memory was first, the one with the red cross lady was after. I remember a ride in the train, laying alone in the top bunk looking out the window at the full moon. This is how I got to Germany. I was in 3 different foster homes in Germany and remember my last one well in Solingen. I was only 5 or so then. I have tried once to find out who the Foster parents in Solingen were, through the Solingen newspaper ad, but never heard back. I can very well understand that it takes us a lifetime to get over this and want to find out possibly who my real parents were. I thought all my life that the lady with the red cross hat, was an angel send to take care of me, until I read your article. I have tried Ancestry.com and Heritage, but I dont have names of my parents so every door was shut for me. I was lucky enough to have been adopted when I was 6 or so by a lovely woman, who may or may have not been my real mother, she passed on in 1981. I never asked many questions because it hurt her to speak about this, she only said that I was her real daughter. I never resembled her by looks. But until now have never opened up about my past. Do I really want to know or keep believing the beautiful story regarding my real father she told me? He never got to see me, was killed before I was born. Perhaps?? I dont know why I am writing this, it will most likely go into your trash, but it felt good talking about it. Thank you .</p></section></div><div>I think that says a lot. </div><div><br /></div><div>Here are some other articles: </div><div><br /></div><div><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://thefederalistpapers.org/us/the-children-of-hitlers-eugenics-experiment-are-still-alive-heres-what-they-look-like-today" target="_blank">The Children of Hitler's Eugenics Experiment Are Still Alive - Here's What They Look Like Today...</a></span></u></b></div><div><br /></div><div><div><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.grunge.com/671700/the-bizarre-true-story-of-the-nazis-lebensborn-babies/" target="_blank">THE BIZARRE TRUE STORY OF THE NAZIS' LEBENSBORN BABIES</a></span></u></b></div></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><u><a href="https://timeline.com/the-nazi-breeding-and-infanticide-program-you-probably-never-knew-about-cc5cc7b82fdc" target="_blank">The Nazi breeding and infanticide program you probably never knew about</a></u></b></span></div><div><br /></div><div><div><b><u><span style="font-size: medium;"><a href="https://www.messynessychic.com/2017/04/06/what-history-didnt-tell-us-about-the-nazi-super-baby-breeding-program/?fbclid=IwAR3wB_e5dj6Ddo9_tUDgNMEY-hxlePWrVJWhwL_qVCIU9MV1VVLlb8d7OTo" target="_blank">What History Didn’t Tell Us about the Nazi “Super Baby” Breeding Program</a></span></u></b></div></div><div><br /></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><u><a href="https://medium.com/lessons-from-history/lebensborn-3ceac4608d1a" target="_blank">The Lebensborn Program — The Nazi Monstrous Initiative to Increase German Population</a></u></b></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><u><a href="http://mourningtheancient.com/ww2-x17.htm" target="_blank">This is a January 1988 interview done with Ilse, Lebensborn nurse at Steinhoring, Germany from 1936 to 1945.</a></u></b></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;"><b><br /></b></span></div><div><span style="font-size: medium;">I need to read a few of them more in depth, some I skimmed. </span></div>Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-35743078447310300282018-12-12T14:42:00.000-08:002018-12-12T14:42:16.718-08:00They Take Their Stories With Them..... <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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When you are you, in grade school, middle school, high school .... you are usually - at some point - assigned the assignment of interviewing someone in your family that is older and ask them about their lives. Usually you might be given a list of questions as suggestions or questions to definitely ask them specifically.... <br />
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........... and no one wants to do it at that time in their life. It's like kicking stones...<br />
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Funny enough - I have been very interested in tracing my family's history since I was a teenager but I was never comfortable asking questions. <br />
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I am painfully shy and utterly riddled with severe social anxiety ...<br />
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I don't know why I never asked. And of course, in this day.... sitting at my desk, writing this, I wish I had. I wish I had asked all those stupid and annoying questions. <br />
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I wish I asked her how her and my grandfather had met ... I wish I had just asked more... <br />
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The only thing I can do, is encourage my children to ask the questions. Maybe this is why I am so open and honest with my life and the record of. I want them to know. <br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-65625595888212786532017-03-05T01:41:00.001-08:002017-03-05T01:41:04.535-08:00Anastasia Romanov<br />
So I'm watching The Young Victoria and I know that I'm (and the Day side of the family) related to basically ALL the British royal line either directly or indirectly (cousins) ... from House of Normandy on (King William I The Conqueror (1066 - 1087)) .... so I thought - I'm gonna look up something about Victoria and I got a super big thrill.<br />
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I have always been extremely fascinated with the story of Anastasia. Who? The Russian Tsar's family that was murdered, with the rumor of young Anastasia possibly escaping somehow .. (which was actually proven wrong a few years ago - DNA evidence showed that she was also murdered along with her family.) ANYWAY ...<br />
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Nikolai Aleksandrovich Romanov (Nicolas II was the last tsar of Russia under Romanov rule) and his wife Princess Alix of Hesse-Darmstadt (more commonly known as Alexandra) ... they had five children, Olga, Tatiana, Maria, Anastasia, and their son Alexei.<br />
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"Nicholas II and his family were murdered by Bolsheviks under Vladimir Lenin, in Yekaterinburg, Russia, thus ending more than three centuries of the Romanov dynasty’s rule."<br />
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It's been a rumor - through the years since the murders in 1918 - that Anastasia may have escaped - she was nearly twenty years old. Through the years there have been many movies made that has theatrically explored this theory - a young Anastasia, not knowing who she is, discovers who she is... and the story has always fascinated me. So when they discovered the DNA - it was actually a bit heartbreaking as I really wanted her to have survived.<br />
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Anyway - doing this research I discovered this......<br />
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"Victoria and Albert had four sons, five daughters and 42 grandchildren who were married to royalty across Europe making her the ‘grandmother of Europe’. Her daughter Victoria was mother of the German Emperor Kaiser Wilhelm II, and her grand-daughter Alexandria was the wife of Nicholas II Emperor and last Tzar of Russia."<br />
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And I squealed like a little girl who just got a kitty for the first time after asking for years!<br />
Cuz I'm a genealogy fangirl like that. Especially when it's my own.<br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-80511081115036269352016-04-18T04:57:00.001-07:002016-04-18T04:57:18.534-07:00Seven Years War (French and Indian War) Tonight - I was watching WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ........<br />
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Let's face it, it has and always will be one of my favorite shows, it continues to make me WANT to find OUR stories.....<br />
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I am by no means a professional .... but I like to play one on TV... just kidding... <br />
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Anyway, tonight's episode was the one with Katey Sagal ... (Married With Children among many other things) ....<br />
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She had some VERY heart tugging stories in her episode. I thought the meet up with the elderly woman who used to travel with her mother was especially touching. Though, I have to say - the whole story with the Seven Years War really caught my interest....<br />
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You see, Katey's great whatever grandfather was Jacob Hochstetler, a very well known Amish early settler ... His family had a particular rough time during this war, as I am sure many many more did also... <br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northkill_Amish_Settlement" target="_blank">Wikipedia</a>:<br />
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<i>The Northkill settlement was on the edge of the Blue Mountain, the legal boundary of European settlement according to agreements with <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="Native Americans in the United States">Native Americans</a>. During the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_and_Indian_War" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="French and Indian War">French and Indian War</a>, local tribes under the command of three French scouts attacked the Northkill settlement on September 19, 1757. The Indians attacked the Jacob Hochstetler <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestead_(buildings)" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="Homestead (buildings)">homestead</a> and set the house afire. The Indians stood guard around the house and torched the Hochstetler home, so the family could not escape without risking their lives. As the fire worsened, the family escaped out the cellar window, but the wounded Jacob Jr. (he had been shot during the initial attack) and Jacob Sr.'s wife, Anna (Lorentz) Hochstetler, slowed them down. She became stuck in the window during her escape, and was later stabbed in the back and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="Scalping">scalped</a>. Another daughter (name unknown) and Jacob Jr. were killed. Jacob Sr. and Joseph and Christian (ages app. 12–15 years) were taken captive. Jacob escaped after about 8 months, but the boys were held for several years, released after a peace treaty between the natives and the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Army" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="British Army">British Army</a> was agreed upon. Altogether over 200 white people were killed in <a class="mw-redirect" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berks_County" style="background: none; color: #0b0080; text-decoration: none;" title="Berks County">Berks County</a> during various raids. The number of Indians killed during this time is not known.</i></div>
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During the episode, you first hear about Jacob from a newspaper blurb, of how the "enemy" (being Indians) burnt his house, killed his wife and a "young man" and how Jacob and his children were missing. <br />
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You learn a little more from a documented interview from the British troops who had found him. He's called "John" in the document (anglicized version of Jacob) ... and the document is dated 5th May 1758 (the attack happened Sept. 19th 1757 - so he had been missing for a little more than seven months.<br />
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You learn he was taken by several Indians about 300 miles to their Indian castle (villiage with a stockade) and kept prisoner. He doesn't mention his children, because he was most likely separated shortly after being taken captive. He managed to established a trust with the Indians, they had given him a gun to go hunting. It was upon being trusted and left alone to hunt that he escaped, he made himself a float (raft) and floated down river until he managed upon a British camp. <br />
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We learn that the Indians took over 1,600 white prisoners of war, but they were not required to turn their captives over to their allies (the French). You learn that the captives were usually given over to an Indian family that had recently lost a family member. The Indian family then had the choice of killing the captive for retribution or adopting them as one of their own. Young captives were prime targets for adoption because they were easily adapted to the Indian culture. So children, in that time, were very valuable.<br />
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She then travels to Burks County Pennsylvania to see if there is any oral history on what may have happened to Jacob's children, because the "paper" trail didn't reveal that. She ends up meeting with - funny enough - a man who shares the last name of people in her tree and ends up being her 7th Cousin. She seems very smitten, saying she doesn't have a lot of family, so the connection definitely resonates with her.<br />
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We end up learning a little more about the attack on Jacob's family. (some of the following I wrote up from the portion they were reading from - but not all of it was read on the show)<br />
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<i>"The Massacre it's called. On the evening of September 18, 1757, just about the time they were sound asleep, the dog made an unusual noise. Which awakened Jacob the son who opened the door to see what was wrong. When he received a gun shot wound to the leg. He realized in a moment that they were being attacked by Indians and managed to close and lock the door before the Indians could enter. Joseph and Christian picked up their guns to defend the family but their father, firmly believing in the doctrine of Non-resistance, remaining faithful in the hour of sourest trial, could not give his consent. In vain they begged him. He told them it was not right to take the life of another even to save one's own."</i><br />
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<i>"The Indians stood in consultation for a few minutes and then set the house on fire. The family consisted of seven persons. The parents, Jacob Jr, Joseph, Christian and a daughter, name not known, also Barbra</i> (something I can't make out)<i> probably not at home. As the fire progressed, they sought refuge in the cellar, while the Indians stood guard around the house. When the fire had advanced so far as to burst through the floor, its advance was checked by spilling cider on the burning spots. </i><br />
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<i>As daylight was now nearing it was thought the enemy would not remain much longer and the family hoped to hold out until they departed. Meanwhile the disturbance attracted the attention of John, living on the adjoining farm. A few steps from his door he could see over to the old home, which seeing on fire, surrounded by the savages and all the family within, presented a shocking sight. The safety of wife and child appealed to him."</i> The neighbor hid his wife and child in some bush, and then rode south of his house on horse (I assume for help) <br />
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<i>She continues, "And by the time the family were all out, they were surrounded. The son Jacob and the daughter were tomahawked and scalped. But the mother, against whom they seemed to have a particular spite was stabbed to the heart with a butcher knife and was scalped."</i><br />
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It is a heartbreaking account, but the impact of it is brutal. The fact that the children, the family - had to witness the brutality. That Father had to witness not only his wife's murder, but the murder of two of his children! The mother probably saw the attack on her two children before suffering her own fate. <br />
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I know I would kill anyone who tried to hurt my children. I understand the thought and belief that no one should take a life, no matter what - and it's a beautiful thought, but to sit back when there are people killing your family and at least not trying to fight back - it's heartbreaking. <br />
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They go on and find out that Joseph was adopted into a family in full fellowship. In other words, was made <i>"after their manner a full Indian." </i><br />
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Christian was adopted by an <i>"aged Indian who treated him as a son."</i> Christian was sent out hunting for game for the older Indian and himself. Although these trips provided him with means of escape, Christian continued to hunt to feed the man who had taken him in because if he didn't, no one else would have, and his friend would parish. <br />
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It's mentioned that many of the white settlers who were taken captive and given to families often had deep and loving connections with the families they were given to.<br />
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Jacob escaped, however the boys stayed for a very long time. Beyond the end of the war (in 1763) in the fall of 1764 there was a treaty with the Indians to release all British captives. Around 200 were released and it's believed that Joseph and Christian were in that group.<br />
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Katey at this point asks "and they wanted to be released?"<br />
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And her cousin said that they (the British captives) didn't have a choice, they HAD to go back. <br />
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She goes on to read, "One account of (Christian's) return, he walked to his father's hours and as he stepped into the kitchen, he found the family at dinner. He bade the time of day, and returned to the yard, and seated himself on a stump. After his father finished his meal he went to the man in the yard who he supposed was an Indian and began a conversation with him. In broken German of which he could scarcely recall he said "My name is Christian Hochstetler." We can easily imagine the joy and surprise of the father, who never-the-less found it not easy to get his son into the house for dinner. For some time he would not decide to forsake his Indian friends and make his home with the whites. The childhood home that he had cherished in his memory during the years of his captivity was no longer to be found."<br />
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Her cousin says, many of the white captives were reluctant to come home that many of them went back. Some of them had to be handcuffed to keep them with their white families.<br />
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Imagine you are a parent, and your child is returned to you after years of separation, but all they want to do is return to their Indian family. What do you say? How do you feel? <br />
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It's crazy, but very understandable ...<br />
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The Amish today value the stories of the people who took the chosen path of being non-violent in a very difficult situation. In the case of Jacob Hochstetler homestead today as a place of pilgrimage. The original dwellings don't stand, but they made a sort of memorial with a plaque.<br />
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So what about some information on the war .... <a href="http://www.history.com/topics/french-and-indian-war" target="_blank">History(dot)com</a> <- source...<br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #101010; font-family: 'Open Sans', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 18px; line-height: 28.8px;">New World conflict marked another chapter in the long imperial struggle between Britain and France. When France’s expansion into the Ohio River valley brought repeated conflict with the claims of the British colonies, a series of battles led to the official British declaration of war in 1756. Boosted by the financing of future Prime Minister William Pitt, the British turned the tide with victories at Louisbourg, Fort Frontenac and the French-Canadian stronghold of Quebec. At the 1763 peace conference, the British received the territories of Canada from France and Florida from Spain, opening the Mississippi Valley to westward expansion.</span><br />
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The Seven Years’ War (called the French and Indian War in the colonies) lasted from 1756 to 1763, forming a chapter in the imperial struggle between Britain and France called the Second Hundred Years’ War. In the early 1750s, France’s expansion into the <a data-id="143776" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/ohio" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Ohio</a> River valley repeatedly brought it into conflict with the claims of the British colonies, especially <a data-id="144103" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/virginia" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Virginia</a>. During 1754 and 1755, the French defeated in quick succession the young <a data-id="144277" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-presidents/george-washington" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">George Washington</a>, Gen. Edward Braddock, and Braddock’s successor, Governor William Shirley of <a data-id="143969" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/massachusetts" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Massachusetts</a>. In 1755, Governor Shirley, fearing that the French settlers in Nova Scotia (Acadia) would side with France in any military confrontation, expelled hundreds of them to other British colonies; many of the exiles suffered cruelly. Throughout this period, the British military effort was hampered by lack of interest at home, rivalries among the American colonies, and France’s greater success in winning the support of the Indians. In 1756 the British formally declared war (marking the official beginning of the Seven Years’ War), but their new commander in America, Lord Loudoun, faced the same problems as his predecessors and met with little success against the French and their Indian allies.</div>
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The tide turned in 1757 because William Pitt, the new British leader, saw the colonial conflicts as the key to building a vast British empire. Borrowing heavily to finance the war, he paid Prussia to fight in Europe and reimbursed the colonies for raising troops in North America. In July 1758, the British won their first great victory at Louisbourg, near the mouth of the St. Lawrence River. A month later, they took Fort Frontenac at the western end of the river. Then they closed in on Quebec, where Gen. James Wolfe won a spectacular victory on the Plains of Abraham, September 1759 (though both he and the French commander, the Marquis de Montcalm, were fatally wounded). With the fall of Montreal in September 1760, the French lost their last foothold in Canada. Soon, Spain joined France against England, and for the rest of the war Britain concentrated on seizing French and Spanish territories in other parts of the world.</div>
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At the peace conference in 1763, the British received Canada from France and<a data-id="144149" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/florida" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Florida</a> from Spain, but permitted France to keep its West Indian sugar islands and gave <a data-id="143954" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/louisiana" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Louisiana</a> to Spain. The treaty strengthened the American colonies significantly by removing their European rivals to the north and south and opening the <a data-id="143981" data-type="topics" href="http://www.history.com/topics/us-states/mississippi" style="color: #2aa6e1; text-decoration: none;">Mississippi</a> Valley to westward expansion.</div>
It's kinda weird ... it's like reading a "clinical version" but it's so much more interesting when there is a personal aspect, something you can connect to, get invested in. <br />
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The Seven Years War<br />
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The Seven Years War was a conflict between the major European powers with France, Austria, and Russia on one side and Great Britian and Prussia on the other.<br />
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The war coincided with the French / British colonial struggle in North America and India. As a result of the conflict Great Britain became the leader in overseas colonization and Prussia emerged as a powerful force in Europe.<br />
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Prussia began its rise to power during the Thirty Years War. Prussia became a kingdom in 1701. The Prussian king still owed allegiance to the Holy Roman emperor in Vienna, but rivalry between the two rulers was growing increasingly bitter.<br />
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Frederick the Great began his reign at the same time as the empress Maria Theresa became the monarch of Austria. When Frederick seized the province of Silesia from Austria Maria Theresa organized an alliance of France, Sweden, Russia, Saxony, Austria, and other countries. Frederick, who felt isolated, concluded a treaty with Great Britain.<br />
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Frederick struck first overrunning Saxony. Facing an opposition 20 times superior in population numbers, Prussia struggled for existence. Frederick utilized the advantage of his interior lines of communication to strike a number of decisive victories, but in 1759 the united Austrian and Russian forces nearly destroyed the Prussian army at the battle of Kunersdorf.<br />
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Frederick's salvation came with the death of the tsarina Elizabeth in 1762 which meant that Russia withdrew from the war. France and Sweden were exhausted and Austria deeply in debt. Austria had to negotiate a peace, Frederick kept Silesia, and Great Britain won North America and India.<br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-19582719029760071642016-04-15T00:39:00.000-07:002016-04-15T00:40:37.203-07:00A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the Hughes .... <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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So ....... little known fact here. <br />
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Adoptions can cause crazy on a family tree....<br />
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<b>For example: </b><br />
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My Grandfather was adopted by his Aunt and her husband. His biological father died from Tuberculosis just a few months after my Grandfather's birth. His biological mother had already contracted Tuberculosis and was (from what I've heard) forced to give up her children. Now I don't know how *real* that forces is. As she wasn't put into a ward, she was allowed to marry another man, but she did infact allow her newborn baby to be adopted by her sister-in-law, and her toddler daughter to be adopted by someone else in the family. <br />
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I would like to think that she gave them up so there wasn't a chance for her to share that horrible illness with them. As they both lived happy lives, and their mother did infact die from Tuberculosis just a few years later. <br />
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<b>Another example: </b><br />
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My husband's grand-whatever-father - I'm not looking at the moment... but be sure to check out the "<a href="http://rootsofmyroots.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-mystery-of-robert-lambert.html" target="_blank">Robert Lambert Mystery</a>" <br />
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He was (rumoredly) adopted by a lovely Irish couple. No clue on the biological information, and a solid - huge - dead end.... this fact has pretty much been confirmed by another relative of Robert Lambert.<br />
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D.E.A.D.E.N.D.<br />
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<b>So.. did you know?</b><br />
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I have an adoptive son? I have my four biological boys. We moved here from WI. And the first friend I made here, was his mom. She died four years ago... and when I found out he was homeless with his girlfriend, been on the streets several months - he messaged me one night, I told him my husband would be picking him up in a few, and he hasn't left our home since. <br />
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Now, those two have a beautiful little 8 month old whom I consider my granddaughter. He also has a (soon-to-be) step-daughter who will be 3 the end of June. I also consider her my granddaughter. <br />
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There is family by blood, and there is family by heart. One may not be the same. I know this. <br />
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However, where you come from, your DNA - the people who had to be born for you to be born, those don't change. And those are the lines and the links we are so interested in. <br />
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<b>So.......... </b><br />
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I was working on my son Kale's biological lines, and he asked me a day or two ago, if I had found out if any of his ancestors had fought in the Revolutionary War?<br />
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Well I hadn't. I had gotten as far as knowing that he had both Confederate and Union links in the Civil War, however.... hadn't gotten that far. I like to really dig and confirm as much as I can. I will sometimes add something I can't prove, but I will dig later, to make sure.... and sometimes you have to add those links to FIND that they are true. <br />
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.... or false. <br />
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So in my digging - I found out that his Dad's, dad's, dad's (great grandfather)... Mom's (2x grandmother)... Mom's (3x great grandmother) Dad's, (4x)... Great grandfather (7x Great Grandfather) had been in the Revolutionary War. <br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #141823; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif; font-size: 13px; line-height: 17.94px; white-space: pre-wrap;">Name: William Hughes
Military Place: Virginia, USA
State or Army Served: Continental Troops
Rank: PRIV</span><br />
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The Continental Army was the national army of first the Thirteen Colonies, and then the independent United States, during the American Revolutionary War.<br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #141823; font-family: "helvetica" , "arial" , sans-serif; line-height: 17.94px; white-space: pre-wrap;"><span style="font-size: 13px;">William Hughes was a Revolutionary Soldier, serving in the Continental Army of Virginia in 1777, and served throughout the War, rendering service as a soldier in Capt. Nathaniel Fox's Company, commanded by Lt. Col. Charles Simms. His service took him through most of the major battles in Virginia, North Carolina, and South Carolina, including the Battle of the Guilford Court House. He was present at the surrender of Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown. William Hughes brought his wife Nancy, and their children to Rutherford County, now Cleveland County (formed in 1841), settling on Beaver Dam Creek, near Boiling Springs where they spent the rest of their lives. William is buried in the Blanton-Hughes cemetery, his grave marked by a well-worn fieldstone inscribed "WH, AD 1833." Nancy is probably buried beside him, although no stone has been found for her
</span><i><span style="font-size: xx-small;">[Cleveland County, N.C. Heritage Book: pg. 106, article by Hedy Hughes Newton]</span></i></span><br />
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All interesting and GREAT information. <br />
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DAR Record: HUGHES, WILLIAM
Ancestor #: A059334
Service:
VIRGINIA Rank: PRIVATE
Birth: (ANTE) 1755
Death: 6-17-1833 RUTHERFORD CO NORTH CAROLINA
Pension Number: R5354
Service Source:
NARA, M881, COMP MIL SERV RECS, ROLL # 1009
Service Description:
1) CAPT NATHANIEL FOX, LCOL CHARLES SIMMS
2) 6TH REGT, CL
Comments
1) SON'S PENSION CLAIM REJ AS WM. OR NANCY DID NOT APPLY FOR PENSION IN
2) THEIR LIFETIME.</div>
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Residence 1) County: LUNENBURG CO - State: VIRGINIA</div>
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I even found this......<br />
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Which is all VERY COOL and he was super excited to see all this .... and he's like "I need to know more!" <br />
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I told him that I had even seen he was related to Howard Hughes SR & JR through one of his great grandfathers. <br />
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And this this BIZARRE story started to unfold. I found the link, although it took me awhile because I didn't make a note of it. And then ... I found it and I was looking at other information, and I'm like.... that doesn't exactly match - I don't... get... it.... Some places, Felix Turner Hughes was listed as Howard Hughes SR's father.... and some places Felix Moner Hughes was listed.<br />
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And then I found this..... (<a href="http://www.nytimes.com/1981/09/03/us/rival-groups-of-would-be-cousins-making-their-claims-for-hughes-estate.html" target="_blank">HERE</a>)<br />
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RIVAL GROUPS OF WOULD-BE COUSINS MAKING THEIR CLAIMS FOR HUGHES ESTATE</h1>
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<strong>HOUSTON, Sept. 2— </strong>Six years after Howard R. Hughes died and after his closest relatives agreed to divide his multimillion-dollar estate, two other groups of people named Hughes are trying to persuade a probate court jury that the agreement would deprive them of their just shares.</div>
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With the help of a dozen lawyers, a stunning series of stories have been unfolding before the jury of six and an alternate. They seek to disprove the claim of one party to the agreement that would divide the estate.</div>
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The party under attack is composed of three sisters in their 50's, who expect to inherit the paternal line's interest under Texas law. The rival claimants' stories seek to prove that the sisters, Barbara Lapp Cameron of Los Angeles, Agnes Lapp Roberts of Cleveland and Elspeth Lapp DePould of Walnut Creek, Calif., are not Howard Hughes's closest surviving relatives on his father's side.</div>
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One set of 400 claimants has been gathered by W.A. Jones, 49, proprietor of Heir Finders Service of Nashville. He said that 11 days before Mr, Hughes died April 5, 1976, Jeff Milton Hughes of Houston hired Mr. Jones to draw up a family tree to see how closely he was related to Howard Hughes. Contract to Run a Tree</div>
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''We made a contract to run a family tree,'' Mr. Jones said. He talks nonstop, his white teeth sparkling, his blue eyes flashing behind gold framed glasses. ''He gave me $1,000 that day and a contract.''</div>
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Then Mr. Hughes died, childless, and a disputed will turned up, and Mr. Jones went on television to challenge its authenticity. ''All the Hugheses across the country began contacting me,'' he said. The interview over lunch in Mr. Jones's hotel a block from the courthouse was constantly interrupted by members of his flock of claimants. He said 70 of them were in the hotel, sleeping sometimes four to a room to save money. Mr. Jones said he had collected $32,421 from them; he said he had spent $1,130,000. ''My deal is 10 per cent and I have to pay attorneys' fees and costs,'' he said.</div>
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Although its managers estimate the Hughes estate to be worth $160 million and the Internal Revenue Service estimates it at $460 million, Mr. Jones said he believed it to be worth $2 billion. And if he and his claimants prevail, they will divide half of that, with his end $100 million. He said enemies he did not name have threatened him. Inquiry by Consumer Office</div>
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Martha Lehmann, an employe of the Texas Attorney General's Consumer Fraud Division office, said that her office was investigating Mr. Jones's representations to the potential heirs he had lined up.</div>
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Mr. Jones's position on how part of the Hughes inheritance is to be won for his backers is straightforward. The Lapp sisters say they are the granddaughters of Rupert Hughes, who was Howard Hughes's uncle. They say that that their mother, Elspeth Hughes Lapp, was Rupert Hughes's only child. One thing that no one disputes is that the three are the daughters of Elspeth Hughes Lapp.</div>
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Their lawyers have put into evidence a marriage license between Agnes Hedge and Rupert Hughes, a birth certificate for Elspeth Hughes listing Rupert as father, a decree in which Rupert and Agnes took joint custody of Elsepth when they divorced in New York in 1904. There also were photographs, autographed books and other memorabilia.</div>
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There is less here than meets the eye, said Mr. Jones and his counsel, Alex Meacham of Smyrna, Tenn. They assert that Elspeth, who died a suicide in 1946 at the age of 49, was not Rupert's daughter but the child of one of a number of illicit relationships Rupert charged to Agnes in the divorce. 'She Was a Beautiful Thing'</div>
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''She was a streetwalker and he proved it,'' Mr. Jones said of Agnes Hughes. ''There was Handsome Jim Beebe in Iowa. She spent three months with him. She was a beautiful thing. I have pictures of her.''</div>
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And not only was Agnes Hughes no better than she should be, Mr. Jones said, her husband was physically unable to father children because of mumps in childhood.</div>
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The Jones case is now before the court. About 20 witnesses will be called to tell the family stories they have heard about Rupert and Agnes, according to George Parnham, a Houston lawyer who was hired six weeks ago by Mr. Jones because Mr. Meacham is not at home in Texas courts.</div>
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Mr. Parnham and his co-counsel, Jacqueline Taylor, won an important ruling from Judge Pat Gregory yesterday that will enable them to present this evidence providing they can qualify their witnesses, one by one, under the strict rules that permit some hearsay.</div>
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''If we didn't have that, we might as well quit,'' said Mr. Parnham, who was one of the lawyers who failed to persuade a Nevada jury to accept the disputed will. Now, for a Complicated Tale</div>
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The Jones group's claim is clear and simple compared with the story told to the jury Monday and yesterday by the other group seeking to upset the agreement. Robert C. Hughes, 56, a teacher from Columbiana, Ala., tells a tale that begins before the Civil War and includes two switches of persons in the ancestry charts of the Lapp sisters.</div>
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Robert Hughes's authority for the crucial elements of his story is a trunk, once owned by his uncle, John Douglas Hughes. The trunk was filled with papers that would show the truth of what he says, he testified, adding that it is a shame it was burned in 1942.</div>
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In the early 19th century, Robert Hughes began, two families named Hughes were neighbors in Virginia. They were not related. One was headed by Joshua Hughes and the other by Chesley Hughes. To make it more complex, Robert Hughes said that each family had a son of about the same age. The Chesley Hughes son was named Felix Moner Hughes; the Joshua Hughes son was Felix Turner Hughes.</div>
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It has been generally understood that Felix Turner Hughes was Howard Hughes's grandfather. Not so, said Robert Hughes. They Then Switch, He Says</div>
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What happened, he said, was that Felix Moner Hughes took to hanging out with the Joshua Hughes family. When the Civil War came, he stayed with them because they were Union supporters while his own family was Confederate, the story goes. Felix Turner Hughes disappeared, perhaps to be killed in the War, and Felix Moner Hughes became known as Felix Turner Hughes and went on to become Howard's grandfather, it is argued.</div>
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For the Robert Hughes group, Elspeth Hughes Lapp is still left to be dealt with, because Rupert was Felix Hughes's son and Howard's uncle, no matter who Felix's father was.</div>
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Again things are not what they seem, Robert Hughes testified. He said that the real Elspeth drowned in a swimming pool in Los Angeles in 1922. Then, he explained, Rupert's second wife, Eleanor Patterson Dial, substituted her own daughter, who also was named Elspeth, and Rupert went along with it.</div>
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Why did Agnes Hughes, then still alive, accept this substitution for her dead daughter? Robert Hughes was asked. ''Probably a financial consideration,'' he testified. A group of 16 of Howard Hughes's relatives from the maternal side have already been designated as the heirs of half his estate. The court action here is over the other half. However, the whole agreement to divide, with its secondary parts, would be inoperative if either challenge succeeds.</div>
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Illustrations: Photo of Tom Askins, Charles Ireland and Herbert Askins who claim to be heirs of Howard Hughes</div>
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<i>Clusterfuck of Genealogy ... written word vs. documentation. So doing <a class="profileLink" data-hovercard="/ajax/hovercard/user.php?id=100008346245805" href="https://www.facebook.com/kale.cookson" style="color: #3b5998; cursor: pointer; text-decoration: none;">Kale</a>'s genealogy - Cookson side - we ran into a "Your 5x Great Grandfather was the Grandfather to Howard Hughes and Great Grandfather to Howard Hughes Jr." AWESOME, right? WRONG. Now we're in a confused state..... because Howard Hughes' father was Felix Hughes... Felix Turner Hughes ... but... Felix Turner Hughes had an imposter of (I think, a cousin) Felix Moner Hughes. For some reason, Felix Turner <span class="text_exposed_show" style="display: inline;">Hughes disappeared during war and the other Felix (Felix M. Hughes) took his place. BUT.... one of them had no kids, and the other had a crap load .... so .... where is Maury when I need him to tell me who da daddy is? Seriously ....... (and that wasn't the only cousin to take the place of a cousin in this story of the Hughes.... oye!) Although - it doesn't matter for the fact that Kale's genealogy is intact, because, his 5x Great Grandfather, had his 4x Great Grandfather who was Felix's (the real one's) brother John. Did you follow that? No? Well ... now you know why we're confused....</span></i></div>
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And I hit epic confusion! I spent a lot of time trying to wrap my head around all this today. <br />
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1: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_R._Hughes,_Sr" target="_blank">Howard R. Hughes, Sr: Wikipedia </a><br />
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2: <a href="https://books.google.com/books?id=qsgnAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA288&lpg=PA288&dq=Felix+Moner+Hughes&source=bl&ots=zUHHjbLUxT&sig=u8gN5loSQT3eWE6U43GEQivhbvM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidgriy9Y_MAhVV82MKHe9eCRwQ6AEITDAL#v=onepage&q=Felix%20Moner%20Hughes&f=false" target="_blank">Twenty-fifth Anniversary Report, 1897-1922</a><br />
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3: <a href="http://www.ancestry.com/genealogy/records/chesley-woodward-hughes_25370400" target="_blank">Chesley Woodward Hughes</a><br />
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So I think that .... it's kinda safe to say ...... Howard Hughes biological father was Felix M. Hughes, not Felix T. Hughes the brother of Kale's great-grandfather many years back. <br />
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He is however related via the love of one families heart who accepted Felix M. Hughes, even though their own Felix had perished at war....<br />
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I've wrapped my head around it now. It is said (and I have seen it in a few places now) that Felix M. Hughes wasn't a cousin, just a neighbor of the same last name. He took on Felix Turner Hughes name after the real Felix Turner Hughes died during the war. Now, Felix M. Hughes (the real one that turned imposter as Felix T. Hughes) is the one that fathered Howard Hughes (as Felix T. Hughes) ... but it's documented places that it's truly Felix M. Hughes that married and had children. Boo - so - sorry Kale, no relation... I take that back, no biological relation - but an adoptive family way - yeah!</div>
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-53519916295513732902016-04-10T23:18:00.000-07:002016-04-13T09:03:58.156-07:00Ancestry DNA - Annissa <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
So a couple months ago, there was a good deal on the whole Ancestry DNA thing, and Dennis and I both really wanted to do it. We thought it could be crazy interesting to see what the DNA showed compared to what I figured out based on where ... basically ... everyone was FROM (as in where they were born) ... just because you were BORN in England, didn't mean that your DNA was "British" .. get it? Because if you are born in England, and your great great great great whatever set of Grandparents had a long genetic line in France, means your DNA will show as French instead of British. Follow me? </div>
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This is what I figured out based on what I had gathered with the locations of where the ancestors had been born.... </div>
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So we FINALLY got our results today, and I have to say that I was a little shocked over mine. Shocked, but not shocked. I knew that I had a long line of Irish, I knew I had a lot of German and Norwegian, not to mention the long line of the British Royal line - those were the biggest things based on where people lived that I could trace back. However, unless there is Royalty - a lot of lines cannot be traced back very far at all - brick walls are hard to break down. SO ..... interestingly - this is what mine shows. I am 100% European ... 79% Western European, 17% Irish, and 3% other European areas... I wish I could get the 79% to break down more, you know, how much of that is my German? How much is French? But it's a lump collective.<br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-18926778679655053882016-04-10T23:11:00.000-07:002016-04-13T09:03:58.152-07:00Ancestry DNA - Dennis So a couple months ago, there was a good deal on the whole Ancestry DNA thing, and Dennis and I both really wanted to do it. We thought it could be crazy interesting to see what the DNA showed compared to what I figured out based on where ... basically ... everyone was FROM (as in where they were born) ... just because you were BORN in England, didn't mean that your DNA was "British" .. get it? Because if you are born in England, and your great great great great whatever set of Grandparents had a long genetic line in France, means your DNA will show as French instead of British. Follow me?<br />
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So wayyyy back when, I had pieced together this pie chart based on where the grandparents or great-grandparents - or however far back I could piece together came from. <br />
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I thought it was funny that his Norwegian showed more clear than mine did. (Ha ha) ... But interestingly - the amount of Italian in him was not as much as thought... and the fact that he does have European Jewish in him, even though it's a freckle, it's still there - confirming what he has heard! It's really interesting though. He also has some Middle East in him. Which is also interesting. Probably those who initiated in the Middle East migrated down to Italy. But these are pretty cool .... There was one rumor that he was hoping would be proved, but wasn't - and that was the Indian that one of his great-great-whatever-grandfather's married. But that didn't pick up.<br />
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This is what our results were based on the DNA ....<br />
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I have to say that I think the Less Common Names.... I think there might be some good reason for some of those losing popularity .... I mean........<br />
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Nuttal?<br />
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Lord?<br />
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I actually really like the name Dyson. REALLY like it. But.......<br />
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.... yep ... vacuum jokes........... Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-66517322354464842015-07-24T01:42:00.002-07:002015-07-24T01:42:19.831-07:00Well.... there is THIS.... <br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-20156194320060264562015-07-23T23:14:00.000-07:002015-07-24T01:15:15.058-07:00Tonight .... <div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: left;">
DB and I are watching episodes of <a href="http://www.byutv.org/show/6f62558b-fc6f-49c5-b8c6-2473785a5b44/generations-project" target="_blank">The Generations Project</a> tonight. </div>
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It is like the beloved Who Do You Think You Are ... only with non-celebrities - ya know, NORMAL people. Celebrities are not NORMAL. Well, frankly - neither am I.... so .... does that make me a celebrity? </div>
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Maybe in my own mind. </div>
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Regardless - the first episode of the .... almost 40 episodes I have on my DVR .... was that of Xander and Carrie ... (actually pictured above on the The Generations Project graphic.) </div>
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Xander and Carrie are parents of twin boys who were born with a very rare deadly blood disorder called <a href="http://www.cincinnatichildrens.org/service/h/hlh/about/" target="_blank">HLH - hemophagocytic lymphohistiocytosis</a> ....it is usually fatal unless there is a bone marrow transplant. Luckily for the boys, they got one, and it was an amazing match. A 9 out of 10 match, the doctors say that 10 out of 10 is identical twins, so 9 out of 10 has to be something special. So they were curious about two things. 1: if they were related to the donor, because they figured there had to be some sort of genetic connection there to have such a high score. 2: they were curious if any of their family members had - perhaps - lost children to HLH also. And they did find a family in their pedigree that they are fairly confident that their three sons may have died from HLH, which wouldn't have been known at the time. </div>
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You can actually watch the episode on the website. <a href="http://www.byutv.org/watch/0d9c579f-2d2f-40b7-8af9-b92282a51155/generations-project-xander-carrie" target="_blank">HERE</a> ..... </div>
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It actually hit home super hard for me. Because I have kids with rare genetic disorders. One we may or may not have pin pointed. The other is definitely pin pointed. </div>
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And they live in Seattle!! I saw them go in here ........ </div>
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<a href="http://seattlegenealogicalsociety.org/" target="_blank">Seattle Genealogical Society</a> ....I want to go!!!!!<br />
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DB was all shocked "You have almost 40 episodes of this????" <br />
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I explained to him that I don't tend to watch it because it makes me desperately want to start digging in ours again an ..... <i>AND I AM CHOMPING AT THE BIT right now </i>...... so I didn't really want to get into it. I don't have an active ancestry account at the moment - so it's hard to when that's the main place that I have our trees. <br />
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Stay tuned........ I think I'll have some new entries coming up!Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-85066355451605796832015-03-07T15:32:00.000-08:002015-03-07T15:34:24.781-08:00Hauntings of Caryville, WI <br />
So Calahan came running into my room the other day yelling "MOM YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THIS" and he totally hijacks my TV. He flips to the channel that Monsters and Mysteries of America is on and shows me the snippet where it talks about the Devil Dogs in a Wisconsin town. I told Cal, I said "That's in Caryville" ... and he's all "huh?" I said "Caryville, it's between Eau Claire and Rock Falls, it's that little blip of a town you drive through." <br />
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He looks at me all shocked and says "SO WE LIVED RIGHT BY IT?" <br />
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Um Yeah, and Mommy totally KNEW about it too.... LOLOLOL.... <br />
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We moved away from there when he was 14. SO yeah, it wasn't something that I was like <i>"oh hey, Cal, let's go to one of the 'most haunted areas' in Wisconsin that we live right by!"</i> ... yeah.... Mom's cousins got married in the "Haunted Church" in Caryville... lol.... right across from the "Haunted Schoolhouse"<br />
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So I thought I would make this entry for HIM - anyway .... I am putting it here, because it's part of our history. Of where we lived, the area we grew up, etc. <br />
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So here you go Calahan. <br />
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This is the episode. It's about 15 minutes long, and starts out at about 28:50 - if you want to fast forward to that point. <br />
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Here is some written history of the area (proving to Calahan it's in Caryville)<br />
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<a href="http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/10930481.html">THE TRUTH ABOUT CARYVILLE HAUNTIES - WEAU 13</a><br />
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The silhouette of a hanging person in a belfry.<br />
Stories of being possessed by the spirit of a young boy or ghosts of children playing in corn fields.</div>
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Those are just some of the encounters people say they've had while visiting the small town of Caryville. Many question their validity and people who live in the town say they're fed up with ghost hunters, and vandals.</div>
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The Sand Hill Cemetery one of five locations believed to be haunted in Caryville. People who live in the area have told NewsCenter 13 numerous times that the hauntings aren't true. Authors and ghost hunters Chad Lewis and Terry Fisk tried to shed some light on the myths.</div>
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Many say Caryville, Wisconsin is one of the most haunted places in the Midwest.</div>
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"People that had visited the place talked about some of the strange things that took place" says Lewis.</div>
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One of the most popular stories is that of a young boy who haunts the historic school house in Caryville.</div>
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"People insist that the spirit of the boy resides in the school yet" says Fisk.</div>
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The legend says a boy trying to escape an abusive father and took shelter in his school.</div>
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"In the morning the teacher came to the schoolhouse and found his frozen body sitting in his desk" says Fisk.</div>
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And if you sit in his desk Fisk says "you'll feel his spirit pass through your body.”</div>
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But that's not all that people experience.</div>
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Lewis says "they hear the piano being played. They eve see the keys being moved."</div>
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Intrigued by the stories, Lewis and Fisk set up shop for the night.</div>
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They sent up "motion detectors to night vision cameras, audio recorders, E.M.F. readers really to try and rule out any normal or illogical explanation" say Lewis.</div>
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That night, they found nothing unusual. Nor could they find any evidence of the boy's death.</div>
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Fisk says "only one boy that ever died while being a student was a young boy named David. He died in 1957 at the age of eight from Polio."</div>
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But he died in the hospital and not the school.</div>
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Lewis says there’s "a lot of the activity that may have a normal explanation, window shades and such banging against the door and just the whole atmosphere of it being dark, creepy and secluded."</div>
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Making the possibility of a haunting doubtful and giving it a “Not Haunted” grade. But across the street, myths of a priest's suicide in the belfry hang over the church.</div>
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Fisk says "he was upset because there were plans to sell the school across the street."</div>
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This possibility prompted him to hang himself.</div>
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Fisk says people have "driven past the church and seen an apparition of the priest, his body hanging in the belfry."</div>
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But Fisk and Lewis say Lutheran Churches don’t have priests and there's no record of the death.</div>
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"We haven't found any scientific evidence of these two places being haunted" says Fisk.</div>
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These findings, or lack of findings, give the church the same "Not Haunted" grade.</div>
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Down the road we come across the alleged watery grave of a high school prom queen.</div>
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Lewis says "she had been drinking and was intoxicated and she drove the car into the water."</div>
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Some say phantom headlights drive the surrounding roads, playing chicken with drivers.</div>
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Fisk says "right before it smashes into them the car seems to disappear."</div>
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And Lewis says if you are brave enough to look into the water you won't she her looking back at you "but you'll see the reflection of her vehicle's headlights staring up from the waters."</div>
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Because there's no record of the crash, the hunters believe a haunting here is doubtful giving this site yet another “Not Haunted” grade.</div>
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A narrow dirt road leads to another supposedly haunted area, the Meridean boat landing. Legend has it, that the area is haunted by Meridean herself.</div>
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Fisk says "she was on a ship coming up the river and she passed away and they buried her nearby here."</div>
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Lewis adds "much like a siren in the water, she tries to entice people to save her." And he says if you are foolish enough to do so "you will meet the same fate that she did."</div>
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During their hunt they were put a little on edge by a mysterious sound.</div>
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Fisk says it was "unlike any sound that we have ever heard."</div>
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Could it have been the legendary hell hounds possibly left behind by the last person to live on the island, more than 70-years ago?</div>
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Lewis says "many cultures believe these dogs actually did the devils bidding."</div>
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Knowing the history of the island and their own encounter makes it possible the area is haunted but they never found any scientific evidence making four out four for “Not Haunted” grades.</div>
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Finally, on a hill near Caryville is the Sand Hill Cemetery. Lewis says it's home to many of those who died on Meridean Island.</div>
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Fisk says people "report hearing the voices of children playing in the corn field."</div>
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Lewis says people see "mysterious balls of light hovering through this cemetery, hearing people calling their names" and feelings of not being alone.</div>
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They've investigated the cemetery many times even with psychics and Lewis says there are definite "feelings of spirits still roaming the area."</div>
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The head stones show people are buried here, and the stories match the history suggesting the site is possibly haunted and being the area to receive the “Haunted” grade.</div>
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It's not known where many of these stories come from, but they have brought in many people from all over the country and vandalism has become a big problem. Because of that, many locals say it's virtually impossible to maintain many of the sites. Dunn County Sheriff Dennis Smith says his deputies will not hesitate to write a ticket for trespassing, and the people living in these areas will not hesitate to call the police when they see anything suspicious. Other than the howling wind and eerie atmosphere nothing out of the ordinary or unexplained happened during the hunts.</div>
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So let me show now ........ how close we were. This is the area I grew up. I lived in Eau Claire most of my life. I lived on the south side, on the north side after I had kids. From 13 to 16-ish I lived (off and on) in Rock Falls, WI which was about a half hour travel time (by car) from Eau Claire. </div>
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There is a little "TREE" Icon for the National Park there above the P's in Chippewa on this map. That is where Caryville is, as show on the map below.</div>
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Caryville is literally a little "you blink, you miss it" type of town that you hit RIGHT BEFORE you hit Rock Falls which is almost another "you blink, you miss it" type of town but like triple the size of Caryville. </div>
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<a href="http://hauntin.gs/listing/caryville-church-and-schoolhouse/">Caryville, Wisconsin</a></div>
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Historic Church and Schoolhouse Information:</div>
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A number of Caryville locals are “fed up” with ghost hunters and legend trippers, so beware if you decide to start asking questions. Primarily, Caryville residents have become tired of the vandalism that has become rampant at locations that are considered haunted in the area.</div>
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There was never a boy who froze to death inside the old schoolhouse. There was, however, a boy named David who died while he was a student at the school. But he died of Polio at the hospital.</div>
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There is no record of a priest hanging himself in the belfry of the old Lutheran church. Indeed, Lutheran churches do not have “priests”. Some locals have claimed that a priest hung himself in the belfry of the old church because he was upset that there were plans to sell the schoolhouse across the street. There is no record of this death, however.</div>
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Paranormal investigators, Chad Lewis and Terry Fisk investigated the church and schoolhouse in Caryville and gave it a “Not Haunted” grade.</div>
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Police will not hesitate to write a ticket (with a hefty fine attached) for anyone caught trespassing at the church and schoolhouse in Caryville and folks living nearby readily call the police if they see anything strange going on at this location. Get permission to visit the Caryville church and schoolhouse.</div>
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Ghosts and the Paranormal at the Church and Schoolhouse in Caryville, Wisconsin:</div>
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The ghost of a young boy is said to haunt the schoolhouse. Legends say that this boy was trying to escape an abusive father and froze to death inside the school sitting at his desk. Legend trippers claim that if you sit at his desk, you can feel his spirit “pass through you”.</div>
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Some people have claimed to be able to see the silhouette of a priest hanging in the window of the belltower at the church.</div>
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Dinges, P. (2007). The Truth Behind the Caryville Myths. Retrieved June 8, 2011 from <a href="http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/10930481.html">http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/10930481.html</a> <b>(this is the article copied at the top) </b></div>
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Shadowlord (1998). Haunted Places Index. Retrieved May 25, 2011 from <a href="http://shadowlands.net/haunted_places/wisconsin.htm">http://shadowlands.net/haunted_places/wisconsin.htm</a></div>
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StrangeUSA (1901-2012). Old Caryville Church and Schoolhouse. Retrieved June 8, 2011 from <a href="http://www.strangeusa.com/Viewlocation.aspx?id=10793">http://www.strangeusa.com/Viewlocation.aspx?id=10793</a></div>
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Now, I went out to the church and school on a couple different occasions. And I did not pick up on sprites, I have always been able to. And I didn't feel any difference in either building than it being a "normal" building. My cousins got married in the church on what would have been my 11th Anniversary to my ex husband - and my grandparents 57th Wedding Anniversary. I often say that my Grandmother - who died in 1999 - died so she could spend their anniversary with my Grandfather in Heaven. It would have been their 50th that year. </div>
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Anyway ..... I never felt anything around the Church or Schoolhouse. But the bridge that went over the river.... in Caryville (going the back roads to Eau Claire) .... it always made me nervous. And that's the river they claim the Devil Dogs - or Hell Hounds - are, there, in Caryville. I also never heard of this story until I was 18 to 20. I lived in the area and never heard the stories. I found out about it, by reading about it in a book..... </div>
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The folks in the area - DEFINITELY do not talk about these legends. They will deny it if they believe in it or not. m,p0 </div>
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But it is history, and lore, from where we grew up. It's interesting to say the least. </div>
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There are some haunting in Eau Claire and Chippewa I'll have to tell you about too. </div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial;"><b>Location:</b> Caryville, Dunn County, Wisconsin</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial;">Some web sites erroneously refer to Meridean as 'Meridian' or 'Maridean.'</span></div>
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<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">The ghost of a young girl named "Mary Dean" haunts the island and boat landing where she had committed suicide.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Shortly after the death of Mary Dean, three ferries mysteriously disappeared in that area, resulting in the ferry crossing being closed down.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Several teens have drowned while swimming at the boat landing. Their deaths have been ruled as suicides.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">At one time there was </span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">a </span><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">sanitarium</span><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;"> on the island run by a doctor who owned several dogs. These dogs haunt the area as "hellhounds," in other words, as black phantom dogs with red glowing eyes.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Another story is that the dogs viciously killed their owner's child.</span></li>
<li><span style="font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">About 50 years ago, two youths who were parked in their pickup truck at the boat landing were killed by some type of beast. Their bodies were never recovered. The authorities later found their empty truck which was splattered with blood mingled with hairs from some unknown type of creature.</span></li>
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<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">We have been unable to find any documentation verifying the alleged disappearances of the ferries.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">While it is certainly possible that swimmers have drowned there, we know of no documented cases.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial;">We have found no evidence to confirm the story about the deaths of two people in a pickup truck.</span></li>
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<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial;">The ghost of Mary Dean has been spotted near the boat landing.</span></li>
<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial;">After dark, some people have heard the howling and gnarling of the hellhounds, others have seen the glowing red eyes of the beasts in the woods near the boat landing, and a few have actually seen the hellhounds running down the <a href="http://www.unexplainedresearch.com/files_spectrology/caryville_road.html">Caryville Road</a>.</span></li>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">Other witnesses have reported hearing movement and screams come from the nearby woods at night and seeing a dark shadowy figure dart across the road. Could this be "Blackie," the demonic figure reported at both the Caryville<a href="http://www.unexplainedresearch.com/files_spectrology/caryville_schoolhouse.html">schoolhouse</a> and <a href="http://www.unexplainedresearch.com/files_spectrology/caryville_old_cemetery.html">cemetery</a>?</span></div>
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<span style="color: black; font-family: Arial;">According to an eyewitness, on one dark night there was a bonfire and a huge chair (similar to the statue at the Lincoln Memorial, only on stilts) across the road from the boat landing. Three pairs of glowing red eyes could also be seen in the woods nearby. </span></div>
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<li><span style="color: black; font-family: Arial; font-size: small;">We did interview the eyewitness who saw the huge chair and glowing red eyes. It is possible that the "chair" was actually a deer stand as this area is very popular with hunters.</span></li>
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An EJ E switch engine moves cars yard Joliet's east side.<br />
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6 Brass Keys from Railroads, including the EJ & E in the top middle ....<br />
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I saw these, wish they were bigger images ... <br />
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My husband, when I told him I was going to share some history and such from the EJ&E Railroad, he said "The J" and I said "what?" ... he says ... "It was just referred to as THE J all around the area,"<br />
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Vintage E J & E Railway oil can. The only information is regards to this railway was the ELGIN, JOLIET & EASTERN Railway of Illinois and Indiana.<br />
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The caption on this said it was a "Waiters Badge"<br />
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A hard item to find from the EJ&E rr. Tool check of some type with the number 72 on it.<br />
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10 year service pin from the EJ&E railroad, now taken over by the. Canadian National. Bottom ribbon says Elgin Joliet & Eastern Ry.<br />
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Barrington, IL Train Station<br />
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EJ&E Bridge Tower<br />
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<span id="goog_25636359"></span><span id="goog_25636360"></span><br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-14918071543139213722014-10-12T09:52:00.000-07:002014-10-12T09:58:54.223-07:00EJ & E Railroad (part 1) So in the last entry, I talked of how my husband's Grandparents (etc) worked for the Railroad in Joliet, Illinois ....<br />
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I found some really interesting information about the railroad, and some other blogs. I wanted to make sure to share them ... the photos are amazing.<br />
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First there is <a href="http://www.ejearchive.com/">THIS</a> amazing site!!!<br />
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I found this blog : <a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/">Zett's O Scale Train Layout</a> ... he was on a mission to create a replica of the Union Station and of EJ & E Railroad. His Grandfather was a Conductor for the railroad. But he shared some history also ..... on these blogs..... Only reason I'm posting the blogs because - in case he decides to delete his blog, I'd like to be able to reference them, and his photos he shared, especially if I find some bigger connection later on. However; I am linking back to Zett's original posts!! I feel like this is a huge find even though it doesn't directly pertain to my husband's family. <br />
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<b><u>Wednesday, March 30, 2011</u></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2011/03/employees-picnic-1928.html">Employee's Picnic 1928</a></span></b><br />
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Here is a picture taken in the summer of 1928, showing the Elgin Joliet & Eastern Railway 755 2-8-2 Mikado. According the the <a href="http://www.ejearchive.com/">www.ejearchive.com</a> this locomotive was built by Alco Brooks in 1923.<br />
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This is a special picture for my family, showing my great grandfather James McArdle, who was an engineer on the 755. He is shown wearing a white cap in the picture, 6th from the left. At the EJ&E yearly picnic, different divisions of the railway would clean and decorate an engine, that would be entered into a contest. According to a letter my great grandfather wrote, the 755 lost this contest in 1928 to the Gary division engine 748. The contest turned serious in 1929, to which the 755 would emerge victorious (I will share some photographs of the 755 in 1929 in the future). The 755 is seen here pulling passenger cars that carried employee family members for the special occasion. This picture was taken in Plainfield, IL north of the grain elevator which still stands today, just south of route 59. The engine is draped in a patriotic red white and blue. The American Flags at the time had 48 stars, 6 horizontal rows of 8.<br />
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<b><u>Wednesday, April 13, 2011</u></b><br />
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In the early to mid 1900s, the downtown area of the City of Joliet was filled with people, businesses, and of course steam engines. Before the tracks were elevated, these locomotives passed right through the city on ground level. Back when train service was at its peak in the 1940s, who knows how many engines would storm through downtown each day. Since its construction in 1912, hundreds of thousands of steam engines roared past the Joliet Union Station, a sight that is now rarely seen. The last time a steam engine passed through Joliet, to my knowledge, was September 1992. I was 9 years old, and my dad did not take me out of school to see it. My dad went to see it though, along with my Uncle and Grandfather.<br />
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The above posted video was taken by John Rockey, posted with his permission. You can see his webpage at www.railroad-crossing.com This video of the Santa Fe 3571 is rare look at a sight and sound that citizens of Joliet used to experience on a daily basis for over 70 years. In the background you can see the southeast face of the Joliet Union Station.<br />
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<b><u>Wednesday, November 30, 2011</u></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2011/11/rock-island-line-at-joliets-union.html">The Rock Island line at Joliet's Union Station</a></b></span><br />
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Sometimes I will look at an old building and just find it fascinating that 100 years ago life went on around that same building just as it does today. It is a completely different time, so many changes to everything, however there the building stands just as it did long ago. History is what makes Joliet special to me. I look at photographs like the ones shown below and can see a world that is familiar to me as it appeared to family members long past. Today if you stand at Joliet's Union Station, there is constant freight traffic moving north/south being pulled by Union Pacific and BNSF diesels. On the east/west tracks you will most likely see a Metra passenger train or a CSX freight train.<br />
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Flash back as recent as 62 years and you would see this. A Rock Island Lines 4-8-4 steam engine pulling a freight load eastbound. This shot is taken standing on the south side of the station facing west, looking toward the DesPlaines river. Today only the tracks closest to the platform pavers remains.<br />
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Posted above is the Rock Island 4-8-4 #5114 heading west. If you click on the picture above and open the larger version, you can clearly see the bell on the front of the engine swinging away. This picture is taken looking east, standing in roughly the same location described above. The switch tower seen in this picture still stands today, however its future at this time is uncertain.<br />
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It is always a treat coming across photographs like this. Special thanks to Lance Wales who gave me permission to repost photographs which are in his collection, original photos by Bruce MacDonald. You can view Lance Wales collection here.<br />
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<b><u>Friday, January 20, 2012</u></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2012/01/whistle-operations.html">Whistle Operations</a></b></span><br />
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When the time does come to finally run some trains on my layout, I will run them in a prototypical manner. With that said, I am not an expert, and definitely have zero experience when it comes to actual train operations. So I have some learning to do, but that is part of the fun. In my recent quest to uncover some family train history, my Aunt and Uncle came across some old documents that belonged to my Uncles father. I know he worked on the Chicago Rock Island & Pacific Railway in at least 1941-1942, and then was hired on with EJ&E. Beyond that I don't know specifics at this time, we will see what I can uncover in the future. My Aunt and Uncle were kind enough to give me some pay stubs, and an EJ&E time table.<br />
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The table went into effect in 1942. Once again, I love history, and its amazing to me how much can change over 70 years, but its also interesting what does not change. Reading through this time table was very interesting. When it comes to engine operation, the 40 page booklet started with this inside the front cover:<br />
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Still the same today as it was long before 1942. Doing some research I learned that the typical crossing signal of 2 long, 1 short, and 1 long is morse code for the letter Q. This whistle signal was used when the Queen of England was on board a ship at sea, and the signal was sounded to make other ships aware that the queen was on board, signaling a yield to other ships. This practice eventually became universally known as a signal to yield, and was somehow picked up by the railroad industry. I have no idea if this is the entire history of the signal or not, but it makes sense. Some other common signals are as follows:<br />
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There are many more but when it comes to running a layout, these are the signals that would be most used in operation. I will share more from the time table in the future.<br />
<span style="font-size: xx-small;">Posted by Zett at 10:20 PM </span><br />
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<b><u>Tuesday, January 31, 2012</u></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2012/01/employees-picnic-1928-part-2.html">Employee's Picnic 1928 - Part 2</a></b></span><br />
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Imagine what life would be like living back in the 1920s, or 1930s. Hard to do when compared to todays life of television, cell phones, we have things easy compared to 85 years ago. I guess that is what made the EJ&E employee picnics such a grand event. It seems that it was an event of complete joy and celebration. It seems that the build up, planning and preparation, made the event a highlight of each year.<br />
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I do not know too many specifics regarding the annual event, other than it took place for many years, going back at least as far as 1909. In part 1 I shared a photograph that is famous in my family and is a centerpiece of my personal collection. Finally, thanks to my sister, I now have our entire family collection scanned. My grandfather wrote on a few of the pictures, in some cases drawing arrows right through the middle of the photograph (awesome). Although I wish he would not have done this, at least I can view the pictures now and know exactly what I am looking at.<br />
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Here is a cab shot of my great grandfather James McArdle, who was an engineer on the 755. As I stated in part 1, the engine was "gaily decorated." That is in his words. According to him in a letter written to the Brotherhood of Locomotive Engineers, the 755 was cleaned and decorated, all in a day and a half. The engine lost to the Gary Division engine 748, which was prepared for two weeks leading up to the picnic.<br />
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A shot of the front of the engine shows even flowers were used for decoration. American flags stand proudly over a curved base painted with the year 1928. Safety first is not a strange addition to an EJ&E locomotive, and was obviously a company priority, even during a day of fun.<br />
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My great grandfather is now standing on the left, posing for a picture with the fireman, standing in the center holding an oil can. I do not know who the individual is standing on the right. My great grandfather stated in his 1929 letter that the engineers and firemen would change into the "ice cream vendors" (white overalls). I would assume that they would then serve ice cream to family members and guests, and this is why they are wearing white hats. The first three pictures posted were taken in Plainfield, IL near the grain tower that still stands today.<br />
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The final two pictures I have to share show a crowd gathering during a yearly picnic. I am not sure of the date of these pictures, however on the back my grandfather wrote "EJ&E picnic Washington St. and Henderson Ave." This is an intersection in Joliet that is just southwest of the EJ&E east yard, and just east of the Joliet Union Station.<br />
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My guess is that these picture were taken prior to 1928. It appears that the crowd is gathering around a Northern Pacific box car. I do not know what the track arrangement was like at this area during that time. Today the tracks in this area are the old Rock Island line which is now a freight line used by CSX, and Metra which still operates a passenger service to Chicago.<br />
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The 755 makes a return to the employee's picnic for 1929. I have some amazing photographs of this engine to share in the future, as well as my great grandfathers complete letter to the B of LE. Stay tuned!<br />
<span style="font-size: xx-small;">Posted by Zett at 2:54 PM </span><br />
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<span style="color: #741b47; font-size: large;"><b><i>**** NOTE **** Wouldn't it be amazing - just thinking that DB's relatives are in those last two pictures???? They most likely are, since they worked there at the time. </i></b></span><br />
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<b><u>Monday, June 25, 2012</u></b><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2012/06/joliet-track-elevation-project-rock.html">The Joliet Track Elevation Project - Rock Island Line</a></b></span><br />
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With the Union Station as the centerpiece of my layout, the track elevation project that began in 1908 and concluded in 1912 will be a major characteristic of my track plan. It is amazing to think that as recent as 100 years ago, the train traffic crusied directly through the downtown area, which at the time was the place to be in Joliet. In fact, the main Rock Island line sat directly next to the courthouse, and then passed directly through Jefferson St. just east of Chicago. I would like to know how loud and disturbing it would have been during that time to be trying to hold a trial with a steam engine crawling past, undoubtedly shaking the entire courthouse.<br />
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This first picture is taken from the clock tower of the old courthouse looking east. The street below is Jefferson St. and you can see the two main lines of the Rock Island crossing Jefferson St. Its hard to imagine the city center with this arrangement today.<br />
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Traveling further west, this is the old Joliet Rock Island station that was used prior to the construction of the Union Station. This picture is taken looking west.<br />
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Now moving even further west, here is a very early shot of the Rock Island line crossing the DesPlaines river prior to the construction of the lift bridge in 1930. The I&M Canal is on the right. This picture was possibly taken from an upper floor of the Joliet National Hotel which was on the corner of Jefferson (Exchange St. at the time) and Bluff St.<br />
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The construction of the track elevation brings the landscape of downtown Joliet to where it is today. The lift bridge was constructed in 1930 and at one time had two active lines. Today there is only one active line. This bridge has seen a lot of railroad history pass over it, everything from steam engines to the Rock Island Aero train.<br />
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Standing on top of the track elevation looking west, you can see where a second main line used to exist on the left.<br />
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Facing east from the same position you can see the gradual curve towards Union Station which is covered by the trees on the right. The new courthouse dominates this view. To imagine the track configuration 100 years ago, pretend these tracks instead of curving to the right, proceed straight towards the courthouse on ground level.<br />
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Trying to match the scenery of this picture will be a challenge on my layout just because of the dried weeds inbetween the rails. Matching the ballast color should be an easier task.<br />
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A peek into the past is offered with these next two photographs. I am not sure how long these tracks have been out of service, but it has been quite a long time. This is the Rock Island line over DesPlaines St. It appears these tracks curved down and ran south along the east side of the river.<br />
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The opposite side of the main line facing east shows this downgrade which ran just past Joliet St. for a time. Some old pictures shows passenger cars parked on this line.<br />
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The tracks were elevated with a concrete wall which at some spots shows its age at 100 years, though overall it is holding up quite well.<br />
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The final shot for today is a view of the line crossing over DesPlaines St. where the Rock Island Lines logo continues to fade. The Rock Island is no more, however the main line above is still quite active. CSX freight crosses this path at least 6 times a day.<br />
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<span style="font-size: xx-small;">Posted by Zett at 12:03 PM</span><br />
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<b><u>Tuesday, July 3, 2012</u></b><br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"><a href="http://zettsoscaletrainlayout.blogspot.com/2012/07/union-station-100th-anniversary-banquet.html">The Union Station 100th Anniversary Banquet</a></span></b><br />
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Some exciting news as the Blackhawk chapter of the National Railway Historical Society have announced a banquet to celebrate the 100 years of the Joliet Union Station. On October 14th 1912 a grand opening celebration was held at the Union Station. The program of events for that day will be recreated to mark this special occasion, everything down to the menu will be influenced by the 1912 banquet.<br />
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This is pretty exciting and I think it is a great way to honor the past and celebrate what is one of the greatest historical structures still standing in Joliet. I guess I know what I am doing October 14th. For more information visit <a href="http://www.blackhawknrhs.org/">http://www.blackhawknrhs.org/</a><br />
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<span style="color: #4c1130; font-size: large;"><b>His last entry I am just copy and pasting, that is why it looks a little different. </b></span><br />
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I would like to say that the #765 Mikado in Gary Indiana is the last surviving EJ&E steam engine, but at this point, it is probably more accurate to say that it is the last existing one. With that said, it is still great that it exists, which is a miracle in itself.<br />
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After seeing pictures of the 765 online for years, I finally made it out to see it for the first time in person. For me, I instantly got chills down my back as I turned westbound on to route 12 just east of Broadway in Gary, and caught my first glimpse of the tender.<br />
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Even though she has not had a heartbeat in decades, gazing upon the 765 in person is a wonderful experience. Since its not every day most of us see a steam engine, you quickly forget how massive these pieces of machinery are. Below I am going to post a few picture showing the engine. I am not too knowledgeable about the workings of a steam engine and its parts, so enjoy the pictures.</div>
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Here is a close up shot of the front. The headlght and number boards are long gone. The old electrical wiring inside still exists behind this fixture to a certain degree.</div>
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Only a fraction of the cow catcher is still in place.</div>
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My nephew Emmett looks upon the fireman side of the locomotive. He said "The wheels are huge!"</div>
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Alco Reverse Gear, patented in 1915. The engine was built in 1929 by Baldwin Locomotive works.</div>
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The metal is getting pretty thin in a lot of places. Years of erosion are much more visible up close.<br />
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Not much left in the cab. See picture below for reference.<br />
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Inside the cab looking up at the ceiling.<br />
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I found this carved into a piece of steel, it says "J 765." I wonder when this was actually added.<br />
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Here is me an my nephew in the cab. He was afraid to touch any of the levers. Maybe next time.</div>
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Well, that is how she looks today. Like I said earlier, at least she still exists. The sad part is just seeing what has happened to the engine over time. Several items of note are missing, such as the bell, whistle, builders plates, several controls and pipes. Some were removed over the years by the city, others I am sure were stolen and sold for scrap. I can only hope that somewhere the city of Gary has the whistle and bell, and that they were not melted down never to be seen again. The cab windows were encased in wood, which has since rotted away. Pieces of rotting wood are still present in the cab. At one point the cab had sliding windows as well. All long gone.</div>
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Well, if you want to see what the 765 looked like in her past glory days, here you go. Most of these images are from the Blackhawk Railway Historical Society. You can purchase photographs from them. Please visit their webpage at <a href="http://www.blackhawknrhs.org/" style="color: #888888; text-decoration: none;">http://www.blackhawknrhs.org/</a></div>
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Now, the 765 was presented to Gary Indiana after the city requested a steam engine from the EJ&E to put on display. In 1948 the EJ&E sold the 765 to DM&IR where it saw service renumbered as 1330. In 1962 it was returned to pristine condition, numbered back to the EJ&E 765, and presented to Gary. If you observe the photographs below, you can see the care and pride that went into this engine. It is a shame when you compare these pictures to what remains today.</div>
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Here is a shot inside the cab. They had each lever labeled. I would guess that hundreds of hours went into getting the engine into condition for the donation. I believe the man in the center of this picture is the Mayor of Gary, George Chacharis. You can see the sliding cab window in the background.<br />
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Here is 765 in service, unknown location.</div>
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Restored and ready for delivery.<br />
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765 being delivered to its final resting place. Looks like a great crowd turned out for the show.<br />
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Of course my hope for the 765 would be that it somehow would return to Joliet and be placed on display in front of Union Station. The plans for upcoming construction around the station call for a display of an old engine or piece of railroad equipment. Having this as the center piece would be incredible. I am sure some people in Gary would have something to say about that though. With that said, someone could at least take the time to accurately refinish the paint on the engine. Right now the EJ&E and the number 765 is almost made with a pastel yellow. The numbers were painted on freehand. If you look at the care that went into the presentation of this engine, it is disrespectful. The Chicago Outer Belt Line logo should be repainted on the tender. This would at least be a start. Who knows, maybe one day I will win the lottery and can bring the engine home to Joliet.</div>
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<span style="color: #4c1130; font-size: large;"><b>I want to thank Zett for the time and effort in sharing this amazing history on his journey!! Things like this give those that can't access it a major piece of joy, just to be able to share in the history! </b></span><br />
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-36756034883204864592014-10-11T20:30:00.000-07:002014-10-12T10:01:00.906-07:00Yahnke Line .... More Recent Notes .... My husband says to me "What about my Grandparents?" ..... um.... yeah, I know who it is... ha ha ha ha... <br />
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My husband's Dad ... Clyde Martin Yahnke Jr. ...... we won't discuss him too much other than to say he's still alive and I have some photos of him, like two. <br />
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These are really the only two photos I have of Dennis' Dad Clyde. This was the day that his Mom & Dad got married in 1966. Next to Clyde is Joan and Jimmy who are Clyde's brother and sister, I believe, and the witnesses for the marriage.<br />
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Clyde's parents were Clyde Senior and Verna. <br />
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Clyde Martin Yahnke Senior was born and raised in Illinois, in Joliet no less. He lived there all his life. It seems that's the same case for Verna (Lambert)...<br />
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Clyde's parents were Martin Henry Yahnke and Grace (Dixon), Verna's were Robert Lambert & Winifred "Winnie" (McNiff)....<br />
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Right now. we are going to look at Clyde, and his parents Martin Henry and Grace ...<br />
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"Morton," Grace, Agatha & Clyde .... on the 1910 Census. Clyde was 8 months old. His (Martin's) parents were from Germany, and hers (Grace's) were from England and Illinois. We also find out that the Martin & Grace Yahnke family lived at 200 Baker Street in Joliet in every census I found. </div>
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Clyde was the first son, and second child of Martin and Grace ...<br />
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We also find out that Martin was a Boiler Maker ... what is that? </div>
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Martin was a boilermaker for the Railroad (as you'll see in the next censuses)<br />
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<span style="color: #252525; font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.3999996185303px;">A boilermaker is a trained craftsman who produces steel fabrications from plates and sections. The name originated from craftsmen who would fabricate boilers, but they may work on projects as diverse as bridges to blast furnaces to the construction of mining equipment.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #252525; font-family: sans-serif;"><span style="background-color: white; font-size: 14px; line-height: 22.3999996185303px;">Many boilermakers are employed in repairing, repiping, and re-tubing commercial steam and hot water boilers used for heating and domestic hot water in commercial buildings and multi-family dwellings. Sometimes these boilers are referred to as pressure vessels. Generally, a pressure vessel is a storage tank or vessel that has been designed to operate at pressures above 15 p.s.i.g. The two main tasks of boilermakers involve using oxy-acetylene gas torch sets to cut or gouge steel plate and tubes, followed by gas tungsten arc welding (GTAW), shielded metal arc welding (SMAW), or gas metal arc welding (GMAW) to attach and mend the cut sections of tubes and steel plates.</span></span><br />
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In 1920 the industry is listed as Steam Railroad .... <br />
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In the 1930 Census we find out he works for E, J, & E Railway (Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway) We also find out that Clyde (my husband's Grandfather) is also working there as a Machinist<br />
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<i>The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway (reporting mark EJE) was a Class II railroad, operating between Waukegan, Illinois and Gary Indiana. The railroad served as a link between Class I railroads traveling to and from Chicago, although it operated almost entirely within the city's suburbs, and only entered Chicago where it served the U.S. Steel South Works on the shores of Lake Michigan. Nicknames for the railroad included "The J" and "The Chicago Outer Belt Line". At the end of 1970, the EJ&E operated 205 miles of road on 985 miles of track, carrying 848 million ton-miles of revenue freight in that year alone.</i><br />
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<i>On September 26, 2007, the Canadian National Railway announced it plans to purchase a majority of the EJ&E, leaving a portion of the line in Indiana to be reorganized as the Gary Railway. The purchase was approved on December 24, 2008 by the U.S. Surface Transportation Board, and the deal was consummated effective February 1, 2009. In the years immediately following the merger, the railroad existed as a subsidiary of Canadian National, and EJ&E locomotives that were repainted into CN colors were sub-lettered for the EJ&E.</i><br />
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<i>The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern was created when several local railroads in Illinois and Indiana merged throughout the end of the 19th century. The systems that would make up the EJ&E included the Joliet, Aurora & Northern Railway (which dates back to 1884) and Elgin, Joliet & Eastern Railway Company of Illinois. The Elgin, Joliet and Eastern Railway began operations on December 4, 1888 through the merger of these two systems.[citation needed] After the creation of the modern day EJ&E the railroad expanded by purchasing several other smaller lines including the Waukegan & Southwestern Railway; Gardner, Coal City & Northern Railway; Western Indiana Railroad; and the Chicago, Lake Shore & Eastern Railway.</i><br />
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<i>The EJ&E moved to serve industries in the Hammond-East Chicago-Whiting industrial district by acquiring trackage rights in 1894. However, construction of the present line to Gary, Whiting and South Chicago was initiated in 1899 by the Griffith and Northern Railway. Connections with the Chicago, Lake Shore and Eastern Railway and the Western Indiana Railway further penetrated the district, although the EJ&E subsequently acquired both lines. In 1901, United States Steel Corporation purchased the railroad.</i><br />
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<i>In 1988, United States Steel and the Blackstone Group formed Transtar Inc. to serve as a shareholder of the EJ&E and several other affiliated railroads and companies. In March 2001, the Blackstone Group ended their ownership interest in Transtar, resulting in its becoming a fully owned subsidiary of United States Steel.</i><br />
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Here is some information on Verna and her parents Robert & Winifred ....<br />
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Verna was the oldest child of Robert and Winifred. They lived at 302 Fifth Ave. His Father was from Ireland/England and his mother was born in the US. Her parents were both born in Ireland. As for my records, I have her father being born in the US (at the moment) but this could be wrong. Her paternal grandparents are both from Ireland, but I don't know WHEN they immigrated (prior to his birth or after) and the first record I have for her grandfather being in the US was in the 1960's. I switch over to her grandmother and see an arrival date for her in 1848 - and since her father was born in 1849 - that would put his birth just after they immigrated, which would make him US born. So ... that's a mystery to try to solve. <br />
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And then on the 1920 Census - in the ten years, they went from one child to 6 children. Now his parents are of "unknown" origins - but later US is put above them. And now her parents are born in Rhode Island and Ireland. So the birth record I have (at the moment) for Verna's Grandad is Massachusetts ...<br />
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In 1930 they have a total of 8 kids. The oldest, Verna is age 20 and the youngest is age 5. <br />
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It's also interesting to note that Verna is also working at the Calender Company now and she's a Stenographer. If you don't know what that is, a Stenographer is one of those Secretaries who can do short hand and transcribe notes/correspondence for you. <br />
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Only I can't find any "Calender Company" in Joliet .... sooooo hummmm....<br />
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Now, in 1940 - Clyde and Verna were married. I don't have an exact date for their marriage, however, on the 1940 census there is a portion at the bottom where it's stated she was about 22 at the time of their wedding. <br />
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Notice that Clyde only completed 9th Grade .. His income was 1089 in 1940 .... which means he got 90 dollars a month, his rent was only 10 dollars...<br />
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Verna's information on the 1940 Census ....<br />
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Verna completed highschool .... perhaps she had to in order to be a secretary ...<br />
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Martin only got an 8th Grade Education. And he made 3000, almost triple what his son made at this point in time. And in addition to their youngest two girls living with them, they also had a Boarder in the house named Lowell Martin. <br />
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Grace also only finished the 8th Grade. <br />
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Martin, Grace, Clyde and Verna are all buried in this cemetery in Joliet, Illinois<br />
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<span id="goog_219201630"></span><span id="goog_219201631"></span>Now, I have talked about Robert and Winifred (Verna's parents) in a previous blog where I was trying to work through some things. <span style="font-size: large;">That blog can be located <a href="http://rootsofmyroots.blogspot.com/2013/09/the-mystery-of-robert-lambert.html">HERE</a> .....</span>Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-69390063892952987052014-10-07T15:16:00.003-07:002014-10-07T15:16:48.388-07:00Freed Slave Who Penned Sarcastic Letter to Old Master....So .... I saw this on Facebook and thought it was a really interesting story. So I thought I would share. <a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2174410/Pictured-The-freed-slave-moving-letter-old-master-asked-work-farm.html">Here</a> is where you can find it on the web.<br />
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<span class="article-timestamp article-timestamp-published" style="font-size: 0.9em;"><span class="article-timestamp-label" style="font-weight: 700; text-transform: uppercase;">PUBLISHED:</span> 13:40 EST, 16 July 2012 </span>| <span class="article-timestamp article-timestamp-updated" style="font-size: 0.9em;"><span class="article-timestamp-label" style="font-weight: 700; text-transform: uppercase;">UPDATED:</span> 08:09 EST, 17 July 2012</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">The photograph, scratched and undated, is captioned 'Brother Jordan Anderson'. He is a middle-aged black man with a long beard and a righteous stare, as if he were a preacher locking eyes with a sinner, or a judge about to dispatch a thief to the gallows.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Anderson was a former slave who was freed from a Tennessee plantation by Union troops in 1864 and spent his remaining 40 years in Ohio.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">He lived quietly and probably would have been forgotten, if not for a remarkable letter to his former master published in a Cincinnati newspaper shortly after the Civil War.</span></div>
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Scathing: Former slave Jordan Anderson (left) wrote a satirical letter in 1865 to his old master after he was asked to return to work for him. He wrote the letter with the help of Valentine Winters (right)</div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Addressed to one Col. Patrick Henry Anderson, who apparently wanted Jordan to come back to the plantation east of Nashville, the letter begins cheerfully, with the former slave expressing relief that 'you had not forgotten Jordon' (there are various spellings of the name) and were 'promising to do better for me than anybody else can'. But, he adds, 'I have often felt uneasy about you'.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">He tallies the monetary value of his services while on Anderson’s plantation - $11,608 - then adds, 'we have concluded to test your sincerity by asking you to send us our wages for the time we served you.'</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Anderson’s words, a timeless kiss-off to a hated boss, also are a puzzle: How could an illiterate man, newly released from bondage, produce such a work of sophisticated satire?</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">From documents compiled by the AP and in interviews with scholars, Anderson emerges as a very real person and the very real author of his story — though, from the beginning, it was reported to have been 'dictated'. His letter is an outstanding, but not unique, testament to the ability of slaves to turn horror into humor.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'The sly irony is very much in the Mark Twain style,' Twain biographer Ron Powers said of the letter, especially the request for unpaid wages. 'Whammo.'</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'It is that wonderful combination of serious thought and satirical chastisement,' said Yale University history professor David Blight, who loves to read the letter during a lecture class on Reconstruction.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">According to available records, Jordan Anderson was born somewhere in Tennessee around 1825 and by age 7 or 8 had been sold to a plantation owned by Gen. Paulding Anderson in Big Spring, Tenn.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Patrick Henry Anderson was one of the general’s sons and, by the mid-1840s owned Jordan and other slaves. Jordan Anderson married Amanda McGregor in 1848 and they had 11 children.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Roy E. Finkenbine, a professor at the University of Detroit-Mercy who is planning a biography of Anderson, thinks it’s likely Jordan was given to Patrick (born in 1823) as a playmate and personal servant when they were young.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">While the schedules don’t list the slaves by name, there were two men, ages 34 and 35, who would have been about the age Jordan was in 1860.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Finkenbine says Jordan appears to have been the oldest male slave of working age, and that might be why the plantation owner was so eager to entice him back.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Many of the slaves had fled, and Anderson was mortgaged to the hilt.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'Harvest is coming on. Jordan’s a guy who’s played... sort of a quasi-managerial role in the past,' Finkenbine said. 'And if he can convince this guy to come back, here’s a guy who can not only maybe get the harvest in, but convince some of these other slaves that have gone… get them to come back and be workers on the plantation. It’s kind of his last-ditch effort to save it.'</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">But he doesn’t save it. In September 1865, Finkenbine says, Anderson sold the nearly 1,000-acre estate to his attorney for a pittance, in an apparent attempt to get out from under his crushing debt. Just two years later, Patrick Henry Anderson died at the age of 44.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Jordan Anderson’s collaborator — to whom he reportedly dictated the letter — was a Dayton banker named Valentine Winters.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">An abolitionist who once hosted Abraham Lincoln at his mansion, Winters regarded the letter as excellent propaganda, according to Finkenbine. It was originally published in August 1865 by the Cincinnati Commercial, a paper with Republican leanings.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Jordan probably made his way to Dayton with the help of Winters’ son-in-law, Dr. Clarke McDermont, the surgeon in charge of the Cumberland Military Hospital in Nashville, where Jordan and Mandy worked for a time, says Finkenbine, who places Jordan and his family in Dayton by August 1864. Anderson became an employee and tenant of Winters.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Anderson’s letter comes right out of the life he had survived. From the insanity of slavery, he and others developed a deadpan, absurdist take that revealed their feelings to one another and hid them from their masters.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'Slaves had to be guarded as to what they said because they would be punished if caught critiquing or offending the master class - thus they developed sophisticated forms of indirection and other forms of masking,' said Glenda Carpio, a professor of African and African-American studies at Harvard University and author of Laughing Fit to Kill: Black Humor in the Fictions of Slavery.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Anderson’s letter is special in part, Carpio says, because it was written down. Until late in the 19th century, when Joel Chandler Harris’ Br’er Rabbit tales were first published, slave humor was essentially an oral tradition.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">The letter was soon reprinted by Lydia Maria Child in her Freedmen’s Book, used by schools in the South for former slaves.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">In a 2006 speech at a conference on slavery reparations, historian Raymond Winbush retold the story of Anderson’s letter. He also revealed that he had tracked down some of Patrick Henry Anderson’s descendants, still living in Big Spring.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">'What’s amazing is that the current living relatives of Colonel Anderson are still angry at Jordan for not coming back,' knowing that the plantation was in serious disrepair after the war, said Winbush, director of the Institute for Urban Research at Maryland’s Morgan State University.</span></div>
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LETTER FROM A FREED MAN TO HIS OLD MASTER</h3>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em; font-weight: bold;">To My Old Master, Colonel P.H. Anderson, Big Spring, Tennessee</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">Sir: I got your letter, and was glad to find that you had not forgotten Jordon, and that you wanted me to come back and live with you again, promising to do better for me than anybody else can. I have often felt uneasy about you. I thought the Yankees would have hung you long before this, for harboring Rebs they found at your house. I suppose they never heard about your going to Colonel Martin's to kill the Union soldier that was left by his company in their stable. Although you shot at me twice before I left you, I did not want to hear of your being hurt, and am glad you are still living. It would do me good to go back to the dear old home again, and see Miss Mary and Miss Martha and Allen, Esther, Green, and Lee. Give my love to them all, and tell them I hope we will meet in the better world, if not in this. I would have gone back to see you all when I was working in the Nashville Hospital, but one of the neighbors told me that Henry intended to shoot me if he ever got a chance.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">I want to know particularly what the good chance is you propose to give me. I am doing tolerably well here. I get twenty-five dollars a month, with victuals and clothing; have a comfortable home for Mandy,—the folks call her Mrs. Anderson,—and the children—Milly, Jane, and Grundy—go to school and are learning well. The teacher says Grundy has a head for a preacher. They go to Sunday school, and Mandy and me attend church regularly. We are kindly treated. Sometimes we overhear others saying, "Them colored people were slaves" down in Tennessee. The children feel hurt when they hear such remarks; but I tell them it was no disgrace in Tennessee to belong to Colonel Anderson. Many darkeys would have been proud, as I used to be, to call you master. Now if you will write and say what wages you will give me, I will be better able to decide whether it would be to my advantage to move back again.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">As to my freedom, which you say I can have, there is nothing to be gained on that score, as I got my free papers in 1864 from the Provost-Marshal-General of the Department of Nashville. Mandy says she would be afraid to go back without some proof that you were disposed to treat us justly and kindly; and we have concluded to test your sincerity by asking you to send us our wages for the time we served you. This will make us forget and forgive old scores, and rely on your justice and friendship in the future. I served you faithfully for thirty-two years, and Mandy twenty years. At twenty-five dollars a month for me, and two dollars a week for Mandy, our earnings would amount to eleven thousand six hundred and eighty dollars. Add to this the interest for the time our wages have been kept back, and deduct what you paid for our clothing, and three doctor's visits to me, and pulling a tooth for Mandy, and the balance will show what we are in justice entitled to. Please send the money by Adams's Express, in care of V. Winters, Esq., Dayton, Ohio. If you fail to pay us for faithful labors in the past, we can have little faith in your promises in the future. We trust the good Maker has opened your eyes to the wrongs which you and your fathers have done to me and my fathers, in making us toil for you for generations without recompense. Here I draw my wages every Saturday night; but in Tennessee there was never any pay-day for the negroes any more than for the horses and cows. Surely there will be a day of reckoning for those who defraud the laborer of his hire.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1.2em;">In answering this letter, please state if there would be any safety for my Milly and Jane, who are now grown up, and both good-looking girls. You know how it was with poor Matilda and Catherine. I would rather stay here and starve - and die, if it come to that - than have my girls brought to shame by the violence and wickedness of their young masters. You will also please state if there has been any schools opened for the colored children in your neighborhood. The great desire of my life now is to give my children an education, and have them form virtuous habits.</span></div>
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Article One found <a href="http://www.augustawi.com/history-new/augusta-wi-history-dells-mill-01.html">HERE</a> ...<br />
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<b><span style="font-size: large;"><u>The Colorful Dells Mill</u></span></b><br />
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<b>The Dells Mill and Museum near Augusta Wisconsin</b><br />
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<b>Tourist can expect an interesting visit to the Dells Mill and Museum in Augusta Wisconsin. The mill was built in 1864 and is on the American History Registry of Historic Places</b><br />
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<b>The colorful Dells Mill, painted red, has now been in Clark family ownership through four generations. Gus Clark and his mother, Mrs. Bessie Clark, restored it 11 years ago and they now operate it as a museum. They still put it to its original use sometimes to grind whole wheat flour which they sell to tourists. In springtime they clean seed oats for local farmers.</b><br />
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<b>They take pride in the fact that the mill has been entered in the National Register of Historic Places. In addition to the mill, the property once housed a small community with a school, boarding house and stables, although those structures are gone now.</b><br />
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<b>”Years ago,” Gus told me, “the mill was a center of activity. Farmers came to have their grain ground. Travelers paused for food and lodging and immigrants stopped by to get information.”</b><br />
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<b>For the farmer and his family the mill was more than a place of business. It also supplied a pleasant diversion from backbreaking labor. A trip to the mill was usually an all-day affair starting at dawn and ending well after dark. Some farmers from outlying communities stayed overnight at the boarding house. A journey to the mill was also a recreational occasion. Often farmers fished in the mill pond and enjoyed a picnic lunch beside it. ”</b><br />
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<b>In 1880 there were more than a thousand mills in Wisconsin,” Gus said. ”By 1900, due to the large wheat production in the state, milling had become Wisconsin’s second largest industry.” But those big wheat harvests depleted the soil and crops began to decline. It wasn’t long until many of the flour mills had been abandoned or were converted to grinding feed. The Dells Milling Company is one of the few of those old mills still standing.</b><br />
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<b>Although there is a large water wheel at the side, the mill has long been powered by a turbine wheel. A larger one was installed in 1955. The main drive gear, equipped with wooden teeth, has lasted through more than a century of use. The teeth, made of hard maple, last from 8 to 10 years under normal usage. Over 3,000 feet of belting and 175 pulleys operate the milling apparatus. The mill also has a flour roller mill – a device which revolutionized the flour industry back in 1877.</b><br />
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<b>Gus Clark has a keen interest in American history as well as in the history of his mill. All this is evident as he conducts his tours and demonstrates for visitors how the machinery works.</b><br />
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<b>Tourists can expect to find him wearing a Civil War Union Army uniform. He has even trimmedDells Mill and Dells Mill Museum Augusta Wisconsin his dark beard in the style of that period. Some years ago he was featured on the front pages of Midwestern newspapers when he saddled up his horse, Clementine, and rode all the way from Augusta to Galena, Ill., to take part in a celebration honoring the memory of General Ulysses S. Grant.</b><br />
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<b>Teachers like to bring school children to the mills for tours, especially in springtime. Gus gladly entertains them with such songs as ”Jimmy Crack Corn” and ”Listen to the Mocking Bird,” accompanying himself on his ” git-fiddle,” a home-made instrument which seems to be a cross between a mandolin and a guitar. He introduces the youngsters to Clementine and highlights his routine by demonstrating his marksmanship with a large, muzzle-loading rifle. Naturally, the kids enjoy every minute of their visit to the Dells Mill museum.</b><br />
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<b>As a sideline, Gus operates, a gun shop on the mill property and his mother runs e’ antique shop there. Antiques aren’t confined to the shop, however. A number of antiques are exhibited inside the mill museum where guests can also see tools which were used in milling, farming and lumbering. Mrs. Clark points ~ collection of old-time barbed wire and says that 300 types were manufactured between 1865 and 1890.</b><br />
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<b>Another section of the museum displays a prairie schooner, buggies, cutters and sleighs. Visitors pause to study a collection of pictures of the mill itself. The Dells Mill has been feature on TV commercials and is a favorite subject for calendar photographs.</b><br />
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The SECOND article can be found <a href="http://www.augustawi.com/history-new/augusta-wi-history-dells-mill-02.html">HERE</a> ..... <br />
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<b>What is an old mill? A place that is hot in summer, frigid in winter? Or a place where the dust motes dance in the sunlight, the tranquilizing music of falling water comes through the open windows, and the good, earthy smell of grain fills the air? Whatever a mill means to you, and especially if you’ve never been in one, you’ll enjoy the one operating mill in Wisconsin that is being preserved as a tourist attraction.</b><br />
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<b>The Dells Milling Company, or Clark’s Mill as it is locally known, is just off Highway 27 three miles north of Augusta in Eau Claire County. The mill was built in 1867 with massive, hand-hewn timbers that were meant to last. They have, and the mill appears as solid as the rock from which its basement is carved.</b><br />
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<b>J. Frank Clark bought the mill in 1917 and today tours are conducted by a descendant. The mill remained in full operation until May of 1968. It was originally a flour mill but its services later included feed grinding.</b><br />
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<b>Except for the sound of water cascading over the 23 foot dam outside, the mill is a quiet pla while visitors listen to the tour guide’s explanation of how it operates, but the moment he engages the water-powered turbine, the mill comes to life with a thunderous rumble. Three thousand feet of belting are instantly on the move, in and out, up and down, through the various levels of the mill. While the mill is running, 250 tons of water every minute power its turbine. (The water wheel on the outside of the building beside the dam, was put there in the 1960s to show how such a mill would have operated in New England. The overshot waterwheel had become old-fashioned by the time mills were being built in Wisconsin, but it has never lost its charm for mill visitors.)</b><br />
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<b>Visitors who go to the mill on a hot day appreciate nature’s air conditioning on the cave-like lower level, part of which has been hewn out of solid rock. If you care to venture still lower, down a curving rock staircase, you can get down to cool water level. As you climb wooden stairs to the upper stories of the mill, the air gets warmer – in fact, hot in summer – but you get to see the interesting hewn beam and wooden peg construction of this century-old structure. The five-level mill is 75 feet high.</b><br />
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<b>In addition to the mill itself and its machinery there are various displays of tools that were used in and around it in the old days. Especially interesting are the rare grain stencils that are hung on the walls.</b><br />
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<b>But best of all is the pleasant scenery of the mill pond, bordered by water-worn sandstone bluffs which are reminiscent of the Dells of the Wisconsin.</b><br />
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<b>Those dells are the reason why Clark’s Mill is also known as the Dells Mill.</b><br />
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The THIRD article in this series can be found <a href="http://www.augustawi.com/history-new/augusta-wi-history-dells-mill-03.html">HERE</a><br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><b><u>Dells Mill Sixty-Five Years Old [1929]</u></b></span><br />
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<i>from the Augusta Union Newspaper, November 29, 1929, author unknown, transcribed from the Wisconsin Historical Society archives</i><br />
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<b>No doubt a great many of our older people can recollect with much happiness their cherished memories of the first ride to the old mill. It was way back in the early days when fall work and threshing was done, the your father, realizing the fast approach of the wintry days, would sack up a grist of wheat to be taken down to the mill and made into flour, and it was early the next morning, just as the sun had poked its cheerful face above the horizon, that you were making your first trip down to the mill behind a trudging team of oxen, while in all the glory of an Egyptian Pharaoh you sat perched high upon the sacks of wheat as the clattering high wheeled wagon made its way over the hill, down through the valley to the red mill by the creek.</b><br />
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<b>You remember, of course, as your father drove his yoke of cattle up along the platform opposite the door, how the miller came out with his hearty “Good morning”, and what a friendly feeling you formed for this man, the fellow who was responsible for your bread, in your bread and butter, and perhaps it was after the last sack of wheat was pushed in with the little hand truck that you followed father in, and what a fascinating place you found yourself in.</b><br />
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<b>There were great moving wheels, glimmering belts that raced over big wooden pulleys, and the worlds of hums and rumbles, and in your innocent childish way, you marveled at its greatness. To you it was all a mystery. In one place the miller placed the grain and in another he took off the fluffy white flour into bags that father had brought along for that purpose. To you, milling seemed a black magic. And so this was your first impression of the old mill, and it was perhaps until you grew up and lock the grist in place of your father that you discovered that the old wooden water wheel which creaked under the splashing water of the creek had a greater purpose than serving an inspiration for an artist and the machinery which rumbled inside was not make to make funny noises but to take its part in the task of feeding the hungry mouths of humanity.</b><br />
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<b>It was back in these days of pioneering that the Dells Mill, a land mark in our community was built. It was the year of 1864, the mill was constructed by Wiebber. The millwrighting was carried on by Mr. Gordon, a brother-in-law of Ivory Livermoore.</b><br />
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<b>The first miller was Dan Merriman. At that time, Wiebber, the owner, also ran a boarding house at the Dells, later occupied as a dwelling by J. Frank Clark, which was destroyed in recent years by a fire. Old timers say that at times there were as many as twenty-five men that stopped at this place as they came to and from the woods.</b><br />
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<b>Later Wiebber sold to McCaffery and Marston. From these parties it was transferred to G. W. Paul, who later succeeded by Gessner and Clark. Mr. Clark some years later purchased the interest of Gessner and it was under his ownership that the present dam was build. J. Frank Clark was succeeded by the Dells Milling Company, which is its present owner.</b><br />
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<b>The mill was first built primarily for the purpose of milling flour, but as the wheat belt was gradually pushed back into the west, other lines of grist business took its place. The mill today is considered on of the most up-to-date cereal mills in this part of the country.</b><br />
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<b>It is expected that during this fall there will be milled over 200 thousand pounds of buckwheat flour. In addition to cereal milling, a large business of custom grinding and feed mixing is carried on.</b><br />
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<b>It is a remarkable thing that after sixty-five years you would find a country mill that is still carrying on its work. Many mills built years later have either gone out of business or burned up, but the Dells still continues to be an old land mark and carry on its part in this community by handling the daily grist that is brought to its doors. </b><br />
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Remembering of the Dells Mill, The Dells School and the Dells Mill Pond when I was a child</h1>
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Going to the mill with a wagon and a horse with my Grand Father. The biggest anticipation was getting the work done and having a Dreamsicle as the reward</div>
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Swimming in the pond</div>
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Floating on the Dells Mill pond, grasping a log as my float and letting the pond, the breeze and the day taking me</div>
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Fishing off the concrete walkway just outside the Dells Mill office window, watching the sunfish taking the bait and hoping the mill would wind up to draw the fish to the water intakes</div>
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The day I went fishing with a high school friend, and reaching over to boat to bring in the fish as he reeled it in. I startled that fish and gave it the energy to break the line. The fish seemed to be about a ten pound wide mouth bass. I was almost knocked off the boat by my angry friend </div>
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Skating on the pond without any snow to impede me. There was no snow on the whole of the pond. We skated for hours. My friends were with me most of the way and most of the day. They had to go, but I stayed and enjoy the solitude of the winter day. I stayed and stayed and almost expired as I realized I was at the far end of the pond and struggled to get back to the house of my friends at the Dells Mill.</div>
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Hearing the ice crack and quake in the cold when I skated</div>
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Fishing in an ice shack and talking about girls and sex and mostly ignoring the fishing.</div>
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Pushing the snow out of the way when it made ice skating impossible</div>
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Lighting a wood log fire on the ice</div>
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Making a skating rink to the free the ice when the snow came</div>
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My parents anticipating the opening of Bass season</div>
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Fishing for Crappie's with my Grandmother</div>
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Fishing for perch on a midsummer's day</div>
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Wading and then getting up over my waist in the warm water, then getting nude to feel the water flow over me.</div>
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Swimming and diving from a raft built by the Dells Mill Clark family</div>
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Hearing <em>Moon River</em> sung by Nancy Clark while swimming in the pond</div>
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Finding a blue bird for the last time just before they all but disappeared from the region because of DTD use</div>
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Wanting to dive off the rocks of the Dells into the pond</div>
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Challenging the damn as dangerous waters flowed over it</div>
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Finding solstice on a summers eve, floating in a boat on the pond</div>
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Shopping at the local hardware store with my grandfather to find the right bamboo cane pole to fish in the Dells Pond</div>
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Finding the right bait</div>
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Camping on the Dells Mill pond island with friend</div>
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Smoking for the first time</div>
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Losing my glasses in to the pond</div>
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Well-preserved 1864 rural flour mill completely intact with original machinery, fabric belts, and lots of misc. artifacts including two cannon, a covered wagon along with other buggies, some period tools, and a shark(!). The proprietor, soft-spoken Gustave (Gus) Clark, has owned and operated the mill as a museum for over 45 years. He is the fourth generation of the Clark family to operate the mill. Gus is elderly and slow, and speaks very softly. You need to stand close to hear him over the waterfalls of the dam. He will greet you, take your admission, escort you into the first room to look around, then give you a brief monologue. Don't ask questions until he is done, as he will just keep talking. Then he will allow you to roam all the floors of the mill to take photos. Gus has a huge amount of knowledge about the place, plus the Civil War era as it relates to Wisconsin. He usually pops on a Civil War hat when you walk in. He is very friendly and can talk for hours about the mill, and about farm life from the 1860s forward. He is also a musician that likes to sing and play his home-made banjo for the ladies after the tour.</div>
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There is also a small, dusty gift shop (with unusual items), an antique store, and a blacksmith shop. Be sure to chat with Gus after the tour.</div>
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Constructed during the Civil War Era along the dells of Bridge Creek, Dells Mill brought logging industry to the area. This water powered gryst mill ground the wheat that dominated Wisconsin's civil war economy operating until 1968. Fully functional, Dells Mill is one of a handful of national historic mills remaining operational ready. According to a conversation with current owner Gus Clark, "The mill could be ready within 3 days."<br />
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Now over 140 years old Dells Mill, like many other mills nationally, served its community both economically and socially. After the wheat production moved westward the mill was adapted to mill flour and grind feed for local farmers. As industry continued to modernize and forestry maximized its resources, mills around the country became cherished historical landmarks.<br />
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Dells Mill was entered into the National Registry in 1974. Local school children from Augusta raised money in 2007 to fund a commemorative plaque officially marking Dells Mill as a national historic site.<br />
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Converting the historic mill into a museum extended the life of the mill. In a conversation with Gus Clark, owner and operator of the museum, he retold the story of his ride to Galena Illinois in the 1972 for the sesquicentennial celebration of Grant's home. Clark traveled from Augusta, WI to Galena, Illinois in a covered wagon camping along the way. Clad in a civil war uniform at the age of 29, Gus rode into Galena on horseback honoring the memory of Ulysses S. Grant. Gus Clark's trek to Galena, Illinois received television coverage and acclaim. To this day Gus can be found tinkering in his shop from10 am to 5 pm -the mills hours of operation from May to October 31st.<br />
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"Nothing makes me feel richer than a woodshed full of wood..." Gus tends to his woodfired stove at the end of a tour. A conversation with Gus reveals a man connected to a family legacy rich in history. His bearded face and skin etched with lines speak of his witness to another era. Gus is a living historian; a witness to Augusta Dells Mill and its surrounding area. He grew up in the house residing at the shores of Dells Mill pond and attended the one room country schoolhouse. Consumed by his stories of yesteryear his audience becomes transfixed by his yarns. It in only after his story has been told that a shift can be felt like a veil lifting -and awareness of the 21st century returns.<br />
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Dells Mill was entered into the National Registry in 1974. Local school children from Augusta raised money in 2007 to fund a commemorative plaque officially marking Dells Mill as a national historic site.<br />
By the time the Civil War broke out in 1861, the establishment of a community on the Dells Mill site was well under way.<br />
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A deed dated 1869, transferred the property from William Weber to Stephen Marston lists the property as consisting of 16 acres and containing "the mill, boardinghouse, school house and other buildings thereon." Of these only the mill remains. The Dells Mill operated as a flour and feed mill for over 100 years. The water from Bridge Creek was the only source of power ever used.<br />
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In 1894, the mill was purchased by the Clark Family and has remained in their possession to this day, having passed through four generations. In 1968, Dells Mill was converted into a museum, although grinding is still done on special occasion.<br />
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The mill building itself is a five story structure built of hand hewed timbers and held together by wooden pegs. It contains 3,000 feet of belting and 175 pulleys all powered by water.<br />
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The growth of wheat production in Wisconsin was tremendous betweeen 1850 and 1880, and this was reflected in the rise of the milling business. In 1840, the area which is now Wisconsin supported a total of 33 flour and grist mills. By 1880, the number was just under 1,000. By 1900, milling was the second largest industry in the state second only to lumber. Shortly after the turn of the century however, the milling industry started its long decline and by 1920, abandoned flour mills could be found throughout the state. Due to the record yield of wheat harvests during the 1800's the soil depleted and could no longer support big crops. Wheat prodcution moved westward and cattle grazed where wheat once grew. Abandoned flour mill became a relic of the past.<br />
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By the time the Civil War broke out in 1861, the establishment of a community on the Dells Mill site was well under way. In the 1830's early pioneers found Wisconsin's rich soil ideal for growing wheat. In addition, the state was blessed with hundreds of rivers and streams offering an abundant supply of water power attracting settlers into the area.<br />
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A visit to the mill was usually an all day affair starting at 'can see to can't see'. For the farmer and his family, the mill was more than a place of business. Starting at dawn, this pleasuresome occasion was marked with a picnic lunch and a fishing event. The mill provided a day of rest from daily farm work. Orginally named Dells City, the mill was a center of activity providing economic growth for the locals, food and shelter for visitors, work for blacksmiths and a coopery, milling for local farmers, and a school with Sundays services for the area locals.<br />
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<i>This can be found on the Eau Claire Information Page located <a href="http://www.eauclaire-info.com/things-to-do/tours/dells-mill-and-dells-mill-museum.html">HERE</a></i><br />
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<span style="background-color: white; color: #333333; font-family: 'Lucida Grande', Tahoma, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px;">Tour the historic Dell's Mill Historical Landmark & Museum from May through Oct. The building is a five story structure made of hand hewn timbers & held together by wooden pegs. It contains 3,000 feet of belting & 175 pulleys. The water from Bridge Creek powered the flour & feed mill, which operated for over 100 years. Relish the sights, sounds and smells of the past, State & National Historic site. The Dells Mill was built in 1864 as a grist mill. It is now over 140 years old. Farmers met and had their grinding done.</span><br />
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The colorful Dells Mill, painted red, has now been in Clark family ownership through four generations. Gus Clark and his mother, Mrs. Bessie Clark, restored it 11 years ago and they now operate it as a museum. They still put it to its original use sometimes to grind whole wheat flour which they sell to tourists. In springtime they clean seed oats for local farmers. They take pride in the fact that the mill has been entered in the National Register of Historic Places.</div>
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Teachers like to bring school children to the mills for tours, especially in springtime. As a sideline, Gus operates, a gun shop on the mill property and his mother runs e’ antique shop there. Antiques aren’t confined to the shop, however. A number of antiques are exhibited inside the mill museum where guests can also see tools which were used in milling, farming and lumbering.</div>
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Except for the sound of water cascading over the 23 foot dam outside, the mill is a quiet place while visitors listen to the tour guide’s explanation of how it operates, but the moment he engages the water-powered turbine, the mill comes to life with a thunderous rumble.</div>
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You will find the Dells Mill be featured in a lot of Calenders .....<br />
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And even puzzles... my Mom got one for herself one year ... because it reminds her of home.<br />
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I have very fond memories of Cousin Gus and the Dells Mill in Augusta, Wisconsin. Recently, on Sunday, August 24, 2014, our Cousin Gustave Franklin Clark passed away. <br />
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It's really hard to talk about Gus without talking about the Mill because it wasn't like he just worked there, they were one heartbeat. And even though the Mill still stands as a tribute to the man who devoted his life to keeping it alive, it's hard to think of it without him there telling his stories and singing with his banjo ....<br />
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<span style="font-size: large;"><i>The five-story Dells Mill was built in 1864 as a grist mill. Wisconsin had been a state for just 16 years and Augusta was a town for eight years. The area was barely settled and Augusta was just a pioneer community; there were no automobiles and almost no railroads. </i></span><br />
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Here is a video done and put on YouTube of the top of the Mill Wheel - how it fills with water and starts to spin.
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He was amazing at what he did.
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We would go to the Clark Family Reunion ... Gus was the brother of my Great Grandmother Eva. And it was always out in Augusta somewhere. I remember we'd always stop at the Mill in the Summers, we'd at least take one trip out there. I loved that place, and it's probably where I fell in love with the sound of running water ... of waterfalls, waterwheels and just the general sound of rain falling. It was always a calming sound to me. <br />
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Anyway, I remember, there is a gift shop across the driveway from the mill. And it's mostly antiques, if I remember right, but they had the soda in a bottle that you needed a bottle opener to open, and this was always a treat for me. So we'd go there and I'd get a soda in a glass bottle and it was always the coolest thrill for me. Gus would take us around the mill and let me make ropes with the little hand cranking machine that would twist it up all tight. He would tell stories and I had such an active mind that I wouldn't always hear them, now I wish I had. <br />
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What I really wish is that someone had videoed the tour as Gus gave it and shared it. What a treasure that would be. Especially since we no longer live in Wisconsin and I'd love to be able to show my kids. <br />
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In 2006 the Wisconsin Historical Society erected a plaque outside of the mill. <br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Water-Powered grist mills ground the wheat that dominated Wisconsin's Civil War-era economy. Built in 1864, the mill was one of the server serving area farmers. After wheat production moved westward, owners adapted the building to mill flour and grind feed.</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>A trip to the Dells mill could be an all-day family affair. Farmers often fished the millpond to pass the time. The millpond also provided a source for the winter ice harvest. A store, hotel, and school grew up nearby to serve the growing community</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Creating a mill pond required the building of a dam to flood upstream land. The Wisconsin Territorial Legislature enacted legislation enabling dam construction in 1840.</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>Built along the dells of Bridge Creek, the base of the mill was carved into the sandstone bedrock. massive hand-hewn timbers secured with wooden pegs make up the structure of the Mill. Water turbines powered the milling process. A concrete dam replaced the original log structure in 1919. Dells Mill, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places, operated continuously until 1968</b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><b>I am going to share more of the Dells Mill History in another blog, but right now. I want to share a few things about Gus. </b></span><br />
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His Obituary.... found <a href="http://www.leadertelegram.com/people/obituaries/article_c1b8ee47-c2c9-5f6e-9f78-6c56625d7e46.html?mode=story">HERE</a>. <br />
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Gustave "Gus" F. Clark, 71, of rural Augusta, passed away at his home on Sunday, August 24, 2014.</div>
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He was named Gustave Franklin Clark, named after his father and grandfather before him. His soul came to earth on Good Friday, April 23, 1943. The first breath for this little body came into his lungs at "the old" Sacred Heart Hospital in Eau Claire, WI. A few days later he was carried to a little place overlooking the Dells Mill Pond north of Augusta, WI. And it has been his lifelong home. It was a part of him; the old mill, the land, the pond, the sandstone cliffs, the air, the dam, the country school, the generation of people, the community, children, teenagers, young adults, middle aged to old. He was it and it was him. Totally complete.</div>
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Living from cradle to grave in one space is a special benediction which he cherished greatly. Perhaps it was his piece of heaven on earth.</div>
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Three Clark brothers married three Svoma sisters in a triple wedding on Sept. 6, 1937, in Cadott, WI. Malin and Mildred, Paul and Elizabeth "Riddy," Franklin and Bessie (his parents). They were forever best friends and born to the three couples were 8 children. They could not be called sisters and brothers to each other, so they gave their relationship the special label of "double cousins." Gus was blessed with an older sister Nancy, and growing up the two of them usually or almost always celebrated everything together with the double cousins. He was raised in this tribe. The children came to believe that they had three sets of parents. While their other relatives were important sources of love and support, the cousins came to rely upon one another like brothers and sisters. Gus' family and Paul Clark's family lived together during World War II. After the war a second house was built and they lived next door to each other. Their families and the double cousins from Cadott got together almost every weekend and usually at the Dells. Their activities included swimming, fishing, ball games, pretend games, skating, sledding, skiing, and tobogganing, along with cards, monopoly, puzzles, and occasionally movies. Living on the Dells Mill Pond (north of Augusta) was the focal point for much of their outdoor togetherness. Indoors, they created impromptu musical performances and recitations for their audience made up of parents and visiting relatives. These events remained vivid recollections until this day. The images and associated experiences of Gus' childhood remained the wellspring and inspiration the lingered with him all his life.</div>
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Gus attended a one room country school called "The Dells School" for eight grades. Much later he bought that schoolhouse and it is now part of his historical landmark and museum creation endeavor. After Gus graduated from Augusta High School in 1961 he took over the milling operations.</div>
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The operation of the Dells Mill by the Clark family spanned four generations. In 1894, Gus' grandfather J. Franklin Clark, along with his brother Robert and their father John Clark purchased the Dells Mill. Nine months later the property was owned by Gus' grandfather Franklin and Gus' great-grandfather, Gustave Gessner. In 1939, the mill was passed down to Gus' father, Franklin and Uncle Paul Clark. The two brothers operated the mill until Paul passed away in 1963, and Franklin passed away in 1964, from that point on Gus managed the property and helped in taking care of his mother Bessie and Aunt Riddy.</div>
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As Gus started to focus on a way for the mill to survive, he was encouraged to follow his dream. Being interested in history and after a great deal of soul searching and prayer he was led to change the game to historic preservation. The Dells Mill Historical Landmark and museum opened its door to the public for the first time on May 1, 1968, with the season ending November 1. Gus was currently guiding tours and educating the visitors, as he had done for the past 46 years, many of those early years with the help of his mother, Bessie. On Dec. 24, 1974, the Dells Mill was entered on the National Register of Historic Places by the Secretary of the Interior. The mill also became Wisconsin Registered Landmark # 117 at that time.</div>
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Gus was baptized at St. Peter's Lutheran Church in Bears Grass just west of Augusta. He had been an active member of Grace Lutheran Church in Augusta all of his adult life. He had served on the Board of Elders for many years and sang with the church choir, called the "Men of Grace." Gus was currently a member of the volunteer community choir, sponsored through the Augusta Senior Center. Gus enjoyed performing with this choir throughout the area at various venues.</div>
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Gus will be dearly missed by his sister, Nancy, and her husband, William Scobie, of Chippewa Falls; 2 nephews, Timothy Scobie and Michelle of Chippewa Falls, Patrick Scobie and Priscilla of Denver, CO; 3 great-nieces and 2 great-nephews, Alexis, Lauren, Ian, Collin and Cameron Scobie; aunts and uncles, Eleanor and Cyril Amerling of Albany, Oregon, Lois and George Ramharter of Kissimmee, FL; double cousins, John (Jan) Clark of Augusta, Karen Rivers of Siren, Mary Olsen of Merrill, Sally Pfluger of Bella Vista, AR, Toni (Jim) Christenson of Madison, Tom (Mary Ann) Clark of Edina, MN; and many other cousins.</div>
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Gus was preceded in death by his father, Franklin on July 2, 1964, and his mother, Bessie, on March 13, 1994.</div>
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Memorial service will be held Thursday, August 28, 2014, at 11:00 a.m. at Grace Lutheran Church in Augusta, with Pastor Jonathan Wessel officiating. A visitation will be held from 5 to 7 p.m. on Wednesday at the Anderson Funeral Home in Augusta, and one hour prior to services on Thursday at the church. The family would like to suggest that memorials be given to Grace Lutheran Church in Augusta, or to the Grace Lutheran Church Augusta Community Choir.</div>
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Friends and family are invited to a gathering at the Dells Mill on Thursday to begin around 5:00 p.m. Supper will be served. We will celebrate Gus' life here in Augusta and we will celebrate the mill.</div>
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This is an article about Gus and the Mill (found <a href="https://www.blogger.com/Life%20Story:%20Man%20was%20driving%20force%20behind%20historic%20Dells%20Mill">HERE</a>)<br />
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Clark, the mill’s owner and tour guide, has managed the scenic property on the banks of the Dells Mill Pond since 1964 and has been giving tours of the facility since 1968. Four generations of his family have lived at the mill since 1894.</div>
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Clark’s sister, Nancy Scobie of Chippewa Falls, summed the relationship up best: “Gus was the mill, and the mill was Gus.”</div>
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But the mill lost its main cog Sunday, when Clark died in his sleep from heart-related ailments. He was 71.</div>
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His passing leaves the future of the 150-year-old mill in doubt, although Scobie vowed Wednesday to do everything in her power to preserve the mill’s history by keeping it open and accessible to visitors.</div>
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“I know people are anxious about the future of the mill, and the family is anxious about the future of the mill too,” Scobie said.</div>
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While she hasn’t yet formulated a long-term plan, Scobie said she knows one thing for sure: “I am dedicated to keeping my brother’s dream alive.”</div>
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In the short term, Scobie said, the family plans to shorten the mill’s public hours — Clark, who his sister called a “one-man show,” was on site to greet visitors from 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. seven days a week from May through October. The mill will be open from noon to 5 p.m. Saturdays and Sundays, plus Labor Day, until the end of October.</div>
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“The mill is such a big part of the community, and I feel it’s important to sustain its presence,” Scobie said</div>
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Scobie plans to solicit suggestions from local residents and officials this fall about how best to keep the mill operating down the road.</div>
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“We’re dealing with a historical site,” Scobie said. “How do you work to make it not just one person’s responsibility or even one family’s responsibility? Those are the big questions right now.”</div>
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Gloria Cowan, a retired teacher from Chippewa Falls, said she is hopeful the Clark family can find a way to keep the mill open. She fondly recalled leading groups of second-graders from the former Korger-Chestnut Elementary School on field trips to the mill for at least two decades beginning in the mid-1970s.</div>
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“The kids loved it, and they couldn’t wait to get to second grade so they could go down to the mill,” Cowan said.</div>
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Dressed in his Civil War uniform, Clark would entertain the kids by demonstrating how to fire an antique muzzleloader rifle, singing Civil War songs while playing his homemade “git-fiddle” (a cross between a guitar and a banjo) and telling stories about the past.</div>
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Dells Mill began in 1864 grinding the wheat that dominated Wisconsin’s Civil War-era economy and later was adapted to mill flour and grind feed. The base of the mill — containing 3,000 feet of belting and 175 pulleys, all powered by water — was carved into the sandstone bedrock.</div>
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Long considered one of the most photographed spots in Wisconsin, the mill operated continuously until 1968 and continued to clean grain until eight years ago. It is listed on the National Register of Historic Places and includes a museum that features photos, old machinery and antiques.</div>
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Photos of the classic red structure on the banks of the pristine mill pond have graced countless calendars and book covers, and Reader’s Digest even once ranked it as one of the top places to visit in Wisconsin.</div>
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Clark’s attachment to the mill and enthusiasm for its role in history was evident in comments he made several years ago to the Leader-Telegram in which he explained the mill was the basis for the local economy and that its original builders were the founders of Eau Claire.</div>
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“It’s a trip back in time,” Clark said at the time. “Our traffic comes from all over the country. It’s a one-of-a-kind experience in this state.”</div>
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The mill, Scobie said, was the place where Clark found his fulfillment and his purpose.</div>
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The above tribute to him was also one in the Minneapolis Tribune,,, found <a href="http://www.startribune.com/local/273268361.html">HERE</a> ....<br />
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Gus wrote a book, which includes the history of the property and Dell's Mill, and a healthcare experience of his. If you would like to print off the order form - you can do so by clicking this <a href="http://www.dellsmill.com/Documents/Civil-War-to-Health-Care-War-by-Gustave-F-Clark.pdf">LINK</a>.<br />
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This great article was in VolumeOne which can be found <a href="http://volumeone.org/articles/2012/11/15/4836_150_years_of_history">HERE</a> ........ </div>
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Civil War enthusiast Gustave F. Clark has run Dells Mill since 1964,<br />
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Gustave F. Clark was born in Eau Claire in 1943 on Good Friday. Dells Mill Pond in Augusta has been his lifelong home. He describes growing up on Dells Mill Pond as excellent, saying, “There’s nowhere else in the world I would fit in but right here.” He graduated from Augusta High School and proceeded to take over the milling operations afterward. </div>
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With encouragement from his sister, Gustave wrote a book that was recently published, The Civil War to America’s Health Care War: 150 years, detailing the history of Dells Mill Pond as well as his difficulties as an uninsured patient. </div>
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Dells Mill has gone through a whirlwind of ownership beginning when two men, Stephen Marston and William T. Weber, bought the site around 1864. Later, Gustave Clark’s grandfather bought the property. Sadly, it was foreclosed in 1925, but not long after, the bank itself went bankrupt, and the Clark family was able to buy the property back. When Gustave’s father died in 1964, Gustave took on the responsibilities of the mill at the age of 21. Gustave says that because of the state of the economy and the politics of the time, the only reason he can see that the mill survived is that it was “an act of God that is still here.”</div>
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Rather than attempt to continue to have the mill be a functional business, Gustave decided to go the route of historical preservation. Dells Mill Historical Landmark and Museum opened its doors to the public on May 1, 1968. Gustave wanted to connect the mill with the Civil War time period and began to collect many artifacts.<br />
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The mill began to be well known by the public and even seen in publications. It is said that Dells Mill is the most photographed property in Wisconsin. According to Gustave, the old mill stands as a monument to industry, agriculture, energy, water power, privatization, work ethic, and the pioneers that tamed the wilderness to farm the land.</div>
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Gustave now lives alone at the mill and has been conducting tours mostly on his own for 44 years. Dells Mill is open for tours every day between May 1 and October 31, from 10 am to 5 pm. Two different tours are available for guests: a one hour tour guided by Gustave or a slightly less expensive, non-guided tour that can be as long or short as desired. As an extra benefit, Gustave sings two country songs on his handmade banjo for all the guests that come through his doors. </div>
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In the second part of Gustave’s book, he details his long fight with the health care industry. Gustave believes that many comparisons can be made between our present political arena and the political issues of one hundred fifty years ago. He thinks that the industry needs reform, stating that “going to the doctor should be no more stress than going to get groceries.” For some procedures that he needed on his heart, he was charged about $31,000, and he had no insurance at the time. This spurred him to begin writing letters to people in legislation because he thought the bill amount was unfair. </div>
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During a five-year period, he sent a total of twenty letters in all to the Wisconsin Attorney General’s office, but was told they could not help him. During the last seven years from now, he has fired off over one hundred letters, even sending one to President Obama. </div>
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If you’ve got a hankering for history, stop by Dell’s Mill next summer. You won’t regret it. And if you want to know more details, check out Gustave’s book. </div>
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I remember this, I was 6 years old.... but I remember us getting some sort of tornado warning. Because I remember Grandma shooing us all down into the basement. I remember Mom was home, and Grandma, and I think a few uncles but I don't remember who exactly. But I remember she shooed everyone down into the Den downstairs, and I remember Grandpa not coming down. And I'm not sure, but I think Mom was yelling at Grandpa to get inside. I remember I went down to the basement with Grandma but I snuck back up because Grandpa wasn't down there and I don't think my mom was either. I remember going out the side door - the one facing Golf Road, not Rudolph ... and seeing Grandpa out on the sidewalk talking to the neighbor across the street. I remember him yelling something and how he saw the tornado coming down Golf Road .... He turned around and saw me and finally came in the house and downstairs. I remember how dark the room got and how it sounded like there were trains outside but I don't remember being scared. I don't remember there being any damage to our house either?<br />
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Eau Claire, Wis. - Hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of property was destroyed but injuries were few as tornados and devastating wind storms whipped the Eau Claire area Sunday afternoon and evening.</div>
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Eau Claire Police Chief James McFarlane said about $750,000 in damage was done in the city to homes and apartment buildings. Sheriff Larry Jacobsen said a conservative estimate of damage in the rest of the county was $500,000.</div>
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Dennis Bennett, Eau Claire County emergency management director, said six tornado touchdowns were confirmed between about 4:15 and about 10 p.m. Sheriff offices said they counted two in Dunn County and one in Chippewa County.</div>
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The National Weather Service could only confirm that three tornados touched down. It also reported several airborne funnel clouds.</div>
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Bennett had no immediate estimate of damage in the area. He said, however, that at least five homes were destroyed. Scores of others reportedly were damaged.</div>
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A spokeswoman for the Northern States Power Co. in Eau Claire, Lynn Moline, said wide areas were without power Monday. She said power should be restored during the day Monday.</div>
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Moline reported that power was out on the south side of Eau Claire and the neighboring Town of Washington, areas which took the brunt of the tornados. Power also was out in the west side of the city.</div>
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Moline also reported scattered power failures in and near Menomonie, Durand, Mondovi, Boyceville and Downsville.</div>
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Harvey Borchers, manager of the Eau Claire exchange of Wisconsin Telephone Co., reported some intermittent problems with phone service.</div>
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The damage was widespread and caught many people by surprise.</div>
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"We are lucky just to be alive," said Murial Cigan, after looking over the wreckage of her home in the Town of Washington. Cigan and her husband, John, looked out the windows and saw flying debris go past the house.</div>
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"It sounded like stuff was hitting the door," she said. "We headed for the basement and just got to the steps when the house was hit. I thought we had it. I couldn't find my husband at first, but he was behind me. It was a relief."</div>
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Rick and Brenda Miller, in the house next door, were buried under debris when the tornado struck their split level home.</div>
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"We crawled out from underneath, saw the light, and everything was gone," Rick Miller said. "My mouth was full of insulation.</div>
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The Miller home was destroyed, along with most of the furnishings, with the exception of a chest of drawers, which was untouched.</div>
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"It just came all at once with no warning," Donald Roberts, 63, said. "It was just a beautiful day with no rain or warning, and just out of the clear, bang, it hit."</div>
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The tornado that did the most damage struck south of Eau Claire at about 4:30 p.m. It hit in the rural area in the Town of Washington, damaged houses and trees and knocked over a garage as it traveled along Golf Rd. It knocked over a trailer house and severely damaged roofs on several apartment houses and just missed the new Eau Claire South High School.</div>
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It then hit the Karen Court area just outside the city limits, where it destroyed three houses and severly [sic] damaged about a dozen others.</div>
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It knocked out power in the area as it moved along E. Hamilton Dr. It skipped over the Hillcrest golf course and moved into the city of Altoona where it damaged roofs on four apartment houses and destroyed a duplex owned by Lowell Odegaard.</div>
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Another tornado struck south of Menomonie in the Dunville Bottoms area. It destroyed a number of farm buildings.</div>
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At about 7:30, a twister struck southwest of Eau Claire along Highway 85. It destroyed a trailer home and garage owned by Loretta Johnson before heavily damaging buildings on the Karl Rieckemann farm.</div>
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Another tornado reportedly hit in the Town of Wheaton in southwestern Chippewa County, damaging a number of farm buildings.</div>
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A twister was reported near Mondovi in Buffalo County south of Eau Claire. Damage to farm buildings was reported at Wheaton in Chippewa County north of Eau Claire.</div>
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<br />Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-3018119228248688522014-08-27T18:51:00.000-07:002014-09-24T15:17:34.166-07:00Yahnke Mystery ..... (updated) <br />
So I am a Yahnke by marriage..... my husband however ... is one by birth. <br />
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He has heard that on the Yahnke side, there is a Jewish connection .... but it's hard to figure out when the Yahnke line abruptly ends with my husband's Great-Great Grandfather.... who was an immigrant from Prussia (Germany). <br />
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This is the current timeline I have for him. <br />
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Rosa (Rose, Rosie) Lepke (end)</h1>
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So Daniel and Rosa had nine children....<br />
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They are on the 1880 Census (taken on June 12th) .... in Joliet, Illinois which is where my husband grew up. I cropped up the census so it's just their info. <br />
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Best guess is that they were living at 393 Des. Plaines Street ... there is no street on their page, so if it's not that street it's something close since that's the one listed on the opposite page.<br />
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So <b>Daniel</b> is listed as head of household. Of course. Age 36. He was working as a Laborer at the Rail Road. My husband's family has a history of working at the Rail Road in the Chicago (and surrounding) areas. He has himself listed as being from Prussia (Germany) and his parents also. <br />
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<b>Rosa</b> (Rosia) is 35 (which fits, 1845/1844, we have it listed as 1844) .... She is listed as a "Housekeeper" and I'm not sure if it's a "Housewife" type thing or an actual go into other's homes and cleaning up. Regardless, that's what it says ... also that she's from Prussia and so are HER parents. <br />
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The children listed are: <b>Augusta</b> (age 6), <b>Menia</b> (age 4), <b>William</b> (age 3), <b>Annie</b> (age 1) and <b>Daniel</b> was only a month old. (1/12) ... <br />
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So the Census has a few mistakes (or discrepancies) on it - which is just.... funny, cuz when don't they. <br />
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1: Yanica - obviously not correctly spelled. <br />
2: Daniel is listed as 36 - which puts his birth year as 1844 (maybe 1843) .. we have it as 1842.<br />
3: Rosa is "Rosia"<br />
4: Wilhelmina is listed as "Menia" which is probably her nickname. <br />
5: "Menia" is listed as a boy .... when, she was a girl. <br />
6: Daniel was a month old in the middle of June when the census was taken, which puts his birthday in May (which is what I have in my records) ... they have "April" written next to him though - meaning he was born in April. <br />
7: Augusta would have been 8 years old, not 6 - based on the birth date I have. I think the rest of the kids ages are right (or about right)<br />
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They are on the 1900 Census (taken on June 8th) .... in Joliet, Illinois. I cropped up the census so it's just their info. <br />
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They were living at 102 Shariden St. They owned the home and were paying mortgage (however that's listest on the next census and not this one.)<br />
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They have the last name spelled Yahnaka on this one. <br />
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<b>Daniel</b> - age 54 - Sept. 1845 (it's supposed to be 1842, and he should be 56) ... he is listed as being a "Section Man" ... if I think I'm reading it right. They have him immigrating in 1874 at the age of 26.<br />
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<b>Rose</b> - age 55 - June 1844 ... she is listed as to having 11 births and 10 living children.... (I had 9 children listed and there were only 6 on the census. They have her immigrating in 1875 at the age of 25.<br />
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Daniel and Rosa had been married 27 years.<br />
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I can't read the name of the first child, but since they have birth year listed as 1870 and them being the age of 29, and being a duaghter - I can only assume it's<br />
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<b>Augusta</b> - age 29 - Sept. 1870 (should be 1872) - They have her "Attending School"<br />
<b>William</b> - age 22 - Dec 1877 (he's listed as 1878, perhaps he's actually 1877 because he was born so late in the year they put 1878)- I believe his occupation is listed as "Wire Mechanic"<br />
<b>Daniel </b>- age 20 - May 1880 - They have him doing "Mechanics"<br />
<b>Martin</b> - age 16 - April 1884 - a SOMETHING "(Alrentic?) Boiler Manager"<br />
<b>Henry</b> - age 14 - June 1886 - Going to School<br />
<b>John</b> - age 12 - Mar 1888 - Going to School<br />
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So the Census has a few mistakes (or discrepancies) on it - which is just.... funny, cuz when don't they.<br />
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1: Yahnaka - obviously spelled wrong. <br />
2: Age wise - they have Daniel born in 1845 and the age of 54. (1842 is his birth year) and Rosa as 1844 (which is correct) ... but they have her as a year older. <br />
3: Augusta wasn't born in 1870 or was 29... she was born in 1872<br />
4: William was born in 1878.<br />
5: She has 10 living children but I only have 9 (total) and the only ones I have seen on census.<br />
6: Emma would have only been about 10 but she's not listed on the census? Did they forget her?<br />
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They are on the 1910 Census (taken on May 3rd) .... in Joliet, Illinois. I cropped up the census so it's just their info. <br />
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They were living at 102 Shariden St. They owned the home and were paying mortgage.<br />
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By now (according to the census) ... Daniel and Rosa had been married 39 years.<br />
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<b>Danie</b>l was (listed as) 68 now. Had him immigrating in 1872. Also working as a Flagman (Crossing) meaning he was probably still working for the Rail Road (right?) ... <br />
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<b>Rosie</b> is listed as 66 and immigrating in 1873. The interesting thing on this census is that it says that she didn't speak English, but only German. This one also lists that 16 births and 9 living children. <br />
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Their sons <b>John</b> and <b>Henry</b> were both still living with them. John is listed as 22 and Henry as 24. They both have listed occupations of Wire Drawer at the Wire Mill. <br />
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So the Census has a few mistakes (or discrepancies) on it - which is just.... funny, cuz when don't they.<br />
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1: They spelled it Yonlee this time. <br />
2: According to the other censuses - Rosa knew how to speak English, so which is right?<br />
3: Immigrations were in 1874 & 1875 in other census ... <br />
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They are on the 1920 Census (taken on January 2nd) .... in Joliet, Illinois. I cropped up the census so it's just their info. <br />
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By this time, Rosa had died. She has passed away in 1914. <br />
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Daniel was living with his youngest daughter Emma and her husband William Winckles who also came from a German heritage. <br />
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<b>Daniel</b> was listed at 77 (which is right)... for the first time he is NOT the Head of House - he's listed as "father-in-law" ... he is listed as immigrating in 1882 and nationalizing in 1885. (All his children were born in Illinois, and considering some were born prior to 1882 - I doubt that info is right. However, his Nationalization record is below! That gives the date of 1896.<br />
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<b>William</b> - Head of House - listed at 39, working as a Janitor at the Court House. Both his parents were German. <br />
<b>Emma</b> is listed as 29. She's a housewife.<br />
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Rosa & Daniel's Graves ... they are both buried in Elmhurst Cemetery in Joliet<br />
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Daniel's nationalization record - October 24, 1896.<br />
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Digging around yesterday ..... I happened to find a Passenger List that has a DAN JAHNKE listed ... the immigration year is about right, since he immigrated (I'm pretty sure) prior to getting married to Rosa (before I thought it was after he and Rosa got married.) ... His birth year is ABOUT right ... and his age is about right ... Destination is definitely right. <br />
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The actual Passenger Manifest .....<br />
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He's listed as Dan (with a period after which means - usually anyway - that it's shortened.) ... and if you look at how the "J" ... it looks like a "Y" ... is that how it got changed from Jahnke to Yahnke.<br />
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So then I started to look around on Family Search ... and I found this birth record. Daniel Jannke. The birth date is what I have for him (Christening Date?) ... and it gives parents names (possible parents.)<br />
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They also had this death information ....<br />
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And I haven't searched much for Rosa though ... I'll definitely have to continue digging. <br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: x-large;"><b><u>September 24th, 2014 Update: </u></b></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;">I had sent an email to someone that was suggested ... and this is what I had sent... </span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Hi Brigitte, </i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>My name is Annissa Yahnke and I've been working on my families ancestry for awhile.... </i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>I have hit a brick wall with my husband's side however and it was suggested that I email you for some possible insight. </i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>His Great-Great Grandparents Daniel YAHNKE and his wife Rosa (Rose, Rosie) Lepke.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Daniel's infomation: Birth 4 September 1842 in Prussia, Germany</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Death 9 March 1926 in Joliet, Will, Illinois, United States</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Rosa's information: Birth Jun 1844 in Prussia, Germany</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Death 1914 in Joliet, Will, Illinois, United States</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>I have them marrying in 1873 in Germany, and arriving in the States in either 1873, 1874 - their first child was born in 1875 in Illinois, US, so it had to be prior to that.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>They had many children: Augusta, Wilhelmina, William, Anna (or Annie), Daniel, Martin, Henry, John, and Emily A (or Emma R) ....</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Martin Yahnke is my husband's Great-Grandfather. Martin's son Clyde M, Yahnke to his son named after him (Clyde M. Yahnke) to my husband (Dennis).</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>There are rumors in the family there is a Jewish connection, and we're really interested in finding out if that's true or not so we really want to break down this wall. </i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>We know that typically it's spelled Yahnke, I did find a birth record as a possible match for Daniel - but it's got his last name as Jannke and my husband said that it got changed from something sounding similar to "Jahn-ka" </i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Thank you for taking the time to read this. I understand if you cannot help, but didn't want to leave this stone un-turned. </i></span><br />
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And I got a reply from her a few days ago that was - not only a welcome surprise, but confirmed the above information I had found. Makes me feel good! I think it's almost safe to say I know what I'm doing! <br />
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Here is her reply:<br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Hi Anissa,</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>my husbands family is Jahnke, Jancke, Janke, etc.</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><br /></i></span>
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>That name is quite frequent all over Germany and especially the former Prussia.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>My husbands family originates from some town in Brandenburg, Prussia, possibly from a place called Neustadt/Dosse not so very far from Berlin. But we are not sure.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Between ab. 1820 and 1945 the family lived in nowadays Poland, not so very far from Lodz. This is that has been part of Poland that was Russian before WW 1. </i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>And here is your Daniel:</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><a href="https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTFL-XGZ">https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NTFL-XGZ</a></i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>In case that this link does not work:</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Daniel Jannke</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>bapt. 4 Sep 1842</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>evangelical, Battrow, Westpreußen, Preußen</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>parents:</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Paul Jannke</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Louise Kraklau</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>He had a win sister "Heinriette".</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>The place Battrow (less but 500 souls bef. WWI) today is part of Poland, </i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>situated near Flatow, Polish: Złotów</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>one more link:</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i><a href="https://www.google.de/maps/place/Z%C5%82ot%C3%B3w,+Polen/@53.7677287,17.3315744,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4703c508dde8e4d5:0xf9182cb662f232b3">https://www.google.de/maps/place/Z%C5%82ot%C3%B3w,+Polen/@53.7677287,17.3315744,8z/data=!4m2!3m1!1s0x4703c508dde8e4d5:0xf9182cb662f232b3</a></i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Don't think that there is any Jewish connection, J...../Y..... is a very common name all over Northern Germany.</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Wish you good luck with your further researches - over there are lot's of J.........</i></span><br />
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<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Herzliche Grüße</i></span><br />
<span style="font-family: Georgia, Times New Roman, serif;"><i>Brigitte</i></span><br />
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Although I still believe (and maybe even more now) that there IS a Jewish connection because the stories were handed down through the generations about them trying to escape some Jewish Persecution. But that's just my feelings on it. <br />
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Now Brigitte says he had a "win" (twin) sister "Heinriette" ....<br />
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So I took a trip back to Family Search and broadened my search .... and these are the new information I found. <br />
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Paul and Louise had five children. Daniel was the oldest, then there was a brother Johann born, then three sisters, Rosa, Henriette & Whlhelmine. Henriette wasn't Daniel's twin, but she did die as a baby :(<br />
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We also see, Paul's parents Jacob Jahnke and Mariane Caro. They had two children. Paul, the oldest, and Johann. <br />
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And from there, the trail is again cold..... for the moment. Just Myselfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/18405561968553534001noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6756602777311162030.post-71766705327469179272014-08-27T10:27:00.002-07:002015-07-24T01:32:30.846-07:00King Henry VIII, Jane Seymour, Anne Boleyn & Catherine Howard CONNECTIONS & HISTORY... <table align="center" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" class="tr-caption-container" style="margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; text-align: center;"><tbody>
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<span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, lucida grande, tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size: 14px; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;">Okay ...... so ....... not only am I (and all my Day side family) .... related to Jane Seymour (wife of King Henry VIII) .. by her brother Edward Seymour (who is my 14th great grandfather) ... Through their Great Grandmother Elizabeth Cheney (my 17x great grandmother)... </span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;">Which makes </span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: large; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;"><b>Jane Seymour</b></span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;"> my 14th great grand aunt.... and </span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: large; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;"><b>Anne Boleyn</b> </span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;">my 2nd cousin 16x removed ,,, and they both married King </span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: large; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;"><b>Henry VIII</b></span><span style="color: #141823; font-family: Helvetica, Arial, 'lucida grande', tahoma, verdana, arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; line-height: 19.31999969482422px;"> .... who is my 2nd cousin 16x removed (or about that) .... because his 6x Great Grandfather .... King Edward III ... is my 20x Great Granfather.....</span></div>
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Amazeballs ......... right? Maybe there are other connections? I still have a lot of work to do on other lines....... hummmm right? </div>
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<span style="font-size: 14px;">And there IS ..... reading a little bit, I find out that</span><b><span style="font-size: large;"> Catherine (or Kathryn) Howard</span></b><span style="font-size: 14px;"> and Anne Boleyn are first cousins...... which also makes her my 2nd Cousin 16x removed ...</span><i style="font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold;">. </i></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Born: 16 December 1485</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Archbishop of Toledo's Palace, Alcalá de Henares, Spain</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to Prince Arthur: 14 November 1501</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">St. Paul's Cathedral, London</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to King Henry VIII: 11 June 1509</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Franciscan Church at Greenwich</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Marriage to Henry VIII dissolved: 1533</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Died: 7 January 1536</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Kimbolton Castle</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Buried: 29 January 1536</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Peterborough Abbey (now Peterborough Cathedral)</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Catherine of Aragon was the youngest surviving child of <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/ferdinand/">Ferdinand</a> and Isabella, the joint rulers of Spain, and as was common for princesses of the day, her parents almost immediately began looking for a political match for her. When she was three year old, she was betrothed to <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/arthur/">Arthur</a>, the son of <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/henry7/">Henry VII</a> of England. Arthur was not even quite two at the time.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">When she was almost 16, in 1501, Catherine made the journey to England. It took her three months, and her ships weathered several storms, but she safely made landfall at Plymouth on October 2, 1501. Catherine and Arthur were married on 14 November 1501 in Old St. Paul's Cathedral, London. Catherine was escorted by the groom's younger brother, <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/henry8/">Henry</a>.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">After the wedding and celebrations, the young couple moved to Ludlow Castle on the Welsh border. Less than six months later, Arthur was dead, possibly of the <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/glossaries/s/sweat.html">'sweating sickness'</a>. Although this marriage was short, it was very important in the history of England, as will be apparent.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Catherine was now a widow, and still young enough to be married again. Henry VII still had a son, this one much more robust and healthy than his dead older brother. The English king was interested in keeping Catherine's dowry, so 14 months after her husband's death she was betrothed to the future Henry VIII, who was too young to marry at the time.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">By 1505, when Henry was old enough to wed, Henry VII wasn't as keen on a Spanish alliance, and young Henry was forced to repudiate the betrothal. Catherine's future was uncertain for the next four years. When Henry VII died in 1509 one of the new young king's first actions was to marry Catherine. She was finally crowned Queen of England in a joint coronation ceremony with her husband Henry VIII on June 24, 1509.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Shortly after their marriage, Catherine found herself pregnant. This first child was a stillborn daughter born prematurely in January 1510, but this disappointment was soon followed by another pregnancy. Prince Henry was born on January 1, 1511 and the was christened on the 5th. There were great celebrations for the birth of the young prince, but they were halted by the baby's death after 52 days of life. Catherine then had a miscarriage, followed by a another short-lived son. On February 1516, she gave birth a daughter named <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/mary/">Mary</a>, and this child lived. There were probably two more pregnancies, the last recorded in 1518.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Henry was growing frustrated by his lack of a male heir, but he remained a devoted husband. He had at least two mistresses that we know of: <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/blount/">Elizabeth "Bessie" Blount</a> and<a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/mboleyn/">Mary Boleyn</a>. By 1526 though, he had begun to separate from Catherine because he had fallen in love with one of her ladies (and sister of one of his mistresses): <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/boleyn/">Anne Boleyn</a>.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">It is here that the lives of Henry's first and second wives begin to interweave. By the time his interest in Anne became common knowledge, Catherine was 42 years old and was no longer able to conceive. Henry's main goal now was to get a male heir, which his wife was not able to provide. Somewhere along the way Henry began to look at the texts of Leviticus which say that if a man takes his brother's wife, they shall be childless. As evidenced above, Catherine and Henry were far from childless, and still had one living child. But that child was a girl, and didn't count in Henry's mind. The King began to petition the Pope for an annulment.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">At first, Catherine was kept in the dark about Henry's plans for their annulment and when the news got to Catherine she was very upset. She was also at a great disadvantage since the court that would decide the case was far from impartial. Catherine then appealed directly to the Pope, which she felt would listen to her case since her nephew was<a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/charles5/">Charles V</a>, the Holy Roman Emperor.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">The political and legal debate continued for six years. Catherine was adamant in that she and Arthur, her first husband and Henry's brother, did not consummate their marriage and therefore were not truly husband and wife. Catherine sought not only to retain her position, but also that of her daughter Mary.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Things came to a head in 1533 when Anne Boleyn became pregnant. Henry had to act, and his solution was to reject the power of the Pope in England and to have <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/cranmer/">Thomas Cranmer</a>, the Archbishop of Canterbury grant the annulment. Catherine was to renounce the title of Queen and would be known as the Princess Dowager of Wales, something she refused to acknowledge through to the end of her life.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Catherine and her daughter were separated and she was forced to leave court. She lived for the next three years in several dank and unhealthy castles and manors with just a few servants. However, she seldom complained of her treatment and spent a great deal of time at prayer.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to Henry VIII: 25 January 1533<br />Probably at the Palace of Whitehall</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">For a woman who played such an important part in English history, we know remarkably little about her earliest years. Antonia Fraser puts Anne's birth at 1500 or 1501, probably at Blickling (Norfolk) and the date of birth seems to be at the end of May or early June. Other historians put Anne's birth as late as 1507 or 1509.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne spent part of her childhood at the court of the Archduchess Margaret. Fraser puts her age at 12-13, as that was the minimum age for a 'fille d'honneur'. It was from there that she was transferred to the household of Mary, Henry VIII's sister, who was married to Louis XII of France. Anne's sister Mary was already in 'the French Queen's' attendance. However, when Louis died, Mary Boleyn returned to England with Mary Tudor, while Anne remained in France to attend Claude, the new French queen. Anne remained in France for the next 6 or 7 years. Because of her position, it is possible that she was at the Field of Cloth of Gold, the famous meeting between Henry VIII and the French king, Francis I.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">During her stay in France she learned to speak French fluently and developed a taste for French clothes, poetry and music.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">The legend of Anne Boleyn always includes a sixth finger and a large mole or goiter on her neck. However, one would have to wonder if a woman with these oddities (not to mention the numerous other moles and warts she was said to have) would be so captivating to the king. She may have had some small moles, as most people do, but they would be more like the attractive 'beauty marks'.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">A quote from the Venetian Ambassador said she was 'not one of the handsomest women in the world...'. She was considered moderately pretty. But, one must consider what 'pretty' was in the 16th century. Anne was the opposite of the pale, blonde-haired, blue-eyed image of beauty. She had dark, olive-colored skin, thick dark brown hair and dark brown eyes which often appeared black. Those large dark eyes were often singled out in descriptions of Anne. She clearly used them, and the fascination they aroused, to her advantage whenever possible.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">She was of average height, had small breasts and a long, elegant neck. The argument continues as to whether or not she really had an extra finger on one of her hands, but it seems to be unlikely.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne returned to England around 1521 for details for her marriage were being worked out. Meanwhile she went to court to attend Queen Catherine. Her first recorded appearance at Court was March 1, 1522 at a masque.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">After her marriage to the heir of Ormonde fell through, she began an affair with Henry Percy, also a rich heir. Cardinal Wolsey put a stop to the romance, which could be why Anne engendered such a hatred of him later in life. It has been suggested that Wolsey stepped in on behalf of the King to remove Percy from the scene because he had already noticed Anne and wanted her for himself. Fraser asserts that this is not the case since the romance between Anne and Percy ended in 1522 and the King didn't notice Anne until 1526. It is possible that Anne had a precontract with Percy.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Somewhere in this time, Anne also had a relationship of some sort with the poet Sir Thomas Wyatt. Wyatt was married in 1520, so the timing of the supposed affair is uncertain. Wyatt was separated from his wife, but there could be little suggestion of his eventual marriage to Anne. Theirs appears to be more of a courtly love.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Exactly when and where Henry VIII first noticed Anne is not known. It is likely that Henry sought to make Anne his mistress, as he had her sister Mary years before. Maybe drawing on the example of Elizabeth Woodville, Queen to Edward IV (and maternal grandmother to Henry VIII) who was said to have told King Edward that she would only be his wife, not his mistress, Anne denied Henry VIII sexual favors. We don't know who first had the idea of marriage, but eventually it evolved into "Queen or nothing" for Anne.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">At first, the court probably thought that Anne would just end up as another one of Henry's mistresses. But, in 1527 we see that Henry began to seek an annulment of his marriage to Catherine, making him free to marry again.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">King Henry's passion for Anne can be attested to in the love letters he wrote to her when she was away from court. Henry hated writing letters, and very few documents in his own hand survive. However, 17 love letters to Anne remain and are preserved in the Vatican library.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">In 1528, Anne's emergence at Court began. Anne also showed real interest in religious reform and may have introduced some of the 'new ideas' to Henry, and gaining the hatred of some members of the Court. When the court spent Christmas at Greenwich that year, Anne was lodged in nice apartments near those of the King.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">The legal debates on the marriage of Henry and Catherine of Aragon continued on. Anne was no doubt frustrated by the lack of progress. Her famous temper and tongue showed themselves at times in famous arguments between her and Henry for all the court to see. Anne feared that Henry might go back to Catherine if the marriage could not be annulled and Anne would have wasted time that she could have used to make an advantageous marriage.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne was not popular with the people of England. They were upset to learn that at the Christmas celebrations of 1529, Anne was given precedence over the Duchesses of Norfolk and Suffolk, the latter of which was the King's own sister, Mary.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">In this period, records show that Henry began to spend more and more on Anne, buying her clothes, jewelry, and things for her amusement such as playing cards and bows and arrows.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Sometime near the end of 1532, Anne finally gave way and by December she was pregnant. To avoid any questions of the legitimacy of the child, Henry was forced into action. Sometime near St. Paul's Day (January 25) 1533, Anne and Henry were secretly married. Although the King's marriage to Catherine was not dissolved, in the King's mind it had never existed in the first place, so he was free to marry whomever he wanted. On May 23, the Archbishop officially proclaimed that the marriage of Henry and Catherine was invalid.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">By August, preparations were being made for the birth of Anne's child, which was sure to be a boy. Names were being chosen, with Edward and Henry the top choices. The proclamation of the child's birth had already been written with 'prince' used to refer to the child.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne took to her chamber, according to custom, on August 26, 1533 and on September 7, at about 3:00 in the afternoon, the Princess Elizabeth was born. Her christening service was scaled down, but still a pleasant affair. The princess' white christening robes can currently be seen on display at Sudeley Castle in England.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne now knew that it was imperative that she produce a son. By January of 1534, she was pregnant again, but the child was either miscarried or stillborn. In 1535, she became pregnant again but miscarried by the end of January. The child was reported to have been a boy. The Queen was quite upset, and blamed the miscarriage on her state of mind after hearing that Henry had taken a fall in jousting. She had to have known at this point that her failure to produce a living male heir was a threat to her own life, especially since the King's fancy for one of her ladies-in-waiting, Jane Seymour, began to grow.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">On April 30, 1536, Anne's musician and friend for several years, Mark Smeaton, was arrested and probably tortured into making 'revelations' about the Queen. Next, Sir Henry Norris was arrested and taken to the Tower of London. Then the Queen's own brother, George Boleyn, Lord Rochford was arrested.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">On May 2, the Queen herself was arrested at Greenwich and was informed of the charges against her: adultery, incest and plotting to murder the King. She was then taken to the Tower by barge along the same path she had traveled to prepare for her coronation just three years earlier. In fact, she was lodged in the same rooms she had held on that occasion.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">There were several more arrests. Sir Francis Weston and William Brereton were charged with adultery with the Queen. Sir Thomas Wyatt was also arrested, but later released. They were put on trial with Smeaton and Norris at Westminster Hall on May 12, 1536. The men were not allowed to defend themselves, as was the case in charges of treason. They were found guilty and received the required punishment: they were to be hanged at Tyburn, cut down while still living and then disemboweled and quartered.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">On Monday the 15th, the Queen and her brother were put on trial at the Great Hall of the Tower of London. It is estimated that some 2000 people attended. Anne conducted herself in a calm and dignified manner, denying all the charges against her. Her brother was tried next, with his own wife testifying against him (she got her due later in the scandal of Kathryn Howard). Even though the evidence against them was scant, they were both found guilty, with the sentence being read by their uncle, Thomas Howard , the Duke of Norfolk. They were to be either burnt at the stake (which was the punishment for incest) or beheaded, at the discretion of the King.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">On May 17, George Boleyn was executed on Tower Hill. The other four men condemned with the Queen had their sentences commuted from the grisly fate at Tyburn to a simple beheading at the Tower with Lord Rochford.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne knew that her time would soon come and started to become hysterical, her behavior swinging from great levity to body- wracking sobs. She received news that an expert swordsman from Calais had been summoned, who would no doubt deliver a cleaner blow with a sharp sword than the traditional axe. It was then that she made the famous comment about her 'little neck'.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Interestingly, shortly before her execution on charges of adultery, the Queen's marriage to the King was dissolved and declared invalid. One would wonder then how she could have committed adultery if she had in fact never been married to the King, but this was overlooked, as were so many other lapses of logic in the charges against Anne.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">They came for Anne on the morning of May 19 to take her to the Tower Green, where she was to be afforded the dignity of a private execution. [<a href="http://tudorhistory.org/primary/abexecution.html">Read the Constable's recollection of this morning</a>]. She made a short speech [<a href="http://tudorhistory.org/primary/speech.html">read the text of Anne's speech</a>] before kneeling on the scaffold. She removed her headdress (which was an English gable hood and not her usual French hood, according to contemporary reports) and her ladies tied a blindfold over her eyes. The sword itself had been hidden under the straw. The swordsman cut off her head with one swift stroke.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne's body and head were put into an arrow chest and buried in an unmarked grave in the Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula which adjoined the Tower Green. Her body was one that was identified in renovations of the chapel under the reign of Queen Victoria, so Anne's final resting place is now marked in the marble floor.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Born: 1508 or 1509</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Possibly at Wolf Hall, Wiltshire</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to King Henry VIII: 30 May 1536</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Queen's Closet, Whitehall Palace</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Died: 24 October 1537</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Hampton Court Palace</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Jane Seymour may have first come to court in the service of Queen Catherine, but then was moved to wait on Anne Boleyn as she rose in the King's favor and eventually became his second wife.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">In September 1535, the King stayed at the Seymour family home in Wiltshire, England. It may have been there that the king "noticed" Jane. But, it isn't until February of 1536 that there is evidence of Henry's new love for Jane.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Opinion is divided as to how Jane felt about being the new object of Henry's affections. Some see Jane's calm and gentle demeanor as evidence that she didn't really understand the position as political pawn she was playing for her family. Others see it as a mask for her fear. Seeing how Henry's two previous Queens had been treated once they fell from favor, Jane probably had some trepidation, although Anne Boleyn's final fate had not been sealed at that time.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">How Jane actually felt, we will never know. Henry's feelings were pretty clear though. Within 24 hours of Anne Boleyn's execution, Jane Seymour and Henry VIII were formally betrothed. On the 30th of May, they were married. Unlike Henry's previous two Queens, Jane never had a coronation. Perhaps the King was waiting to Jane to 'prove' herself by giving him a son.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Less than two months after Henry and Jane's marriage, the Duke of Richmond, Henry Fitzroy died at the age of 17. Fitzroy was the King's bastard son by his mistress Elizabeth Blount.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">It wasn't until early 1537 that Jane became pregnant. During her pregnancy, Jane's every whim was indulged by the King, convinced that Jane, whom he felt to be his first 'true wife', carried his long hoped for son. In October, a prince was born at Hampton Court Palace and was christened on 15th of October. The baby was named Edward. Mary, daughter of Catherine of Aragon, was godmother and Elizabeth, daughter of Anne Boleyn, also played a role in the ceremony.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">But the events of the split from Rome left England isolated, and probably vulnerable. It was these circumstances that led Henry and his ministers to look at the possibility of a bride to secure an alliance. Henry did also want to be sure he was getting a desirable bride, so he had agents in foreign courts report to him on the appearance and other qualities of various candidates. He also sent painters to bring him images of these women.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Although the King of France and the Emperor had gone back to their usual state of animosity, Henry proceeded with the match. The marriage took place on January 6, 1540. By then, Henry was already looking for ways to get out of the marriage.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Anne was ill-suited for life at the English court. Her upbringing in Cleves had concentrated on domestic skills and not the music and literature so popular at Henry's court. And, most famously, Henry did not find his new bride the least bit attractive and is said to have called her a 'Flanders Mare'. In addition to his personal feelings for wanting to end the marriage, there were now political ones as well. Tension between the Duke of Cleves and the Empire was increasing towards war and Henry had no desire to become involved. Last but not least, at some point, Henry had become attracted to young Kathryn Howard.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">After the marriage had been dissolved, Anne accepted the honorary title as the 'King's Sister'. She was given property, including Hever Castle, formerly the home of Anne Boleyn.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Born: c. 1521</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Unknown</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to King Henry VIII: 28 July 1540</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Oatlands Palace</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Executed</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">: 13 February 1542</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />The Tower of London</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Buried: </span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">13 February 1542</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula at the Tower of London</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Kathryn Howard was the daughter of Lord Edmund Howard, a younger brother of Thomas Howard, Duke of Norfolk. She was also first cousin to Anne Boleyn, Henry's ill-fated second Queen. She was brought up in the household of the Dowager Duchess of Norfolk. As part of the Duchess' household, she would have spent most of her time at Lambeth and Horsham.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Kathryn came to court at about the age of 19 as a lady in waiting to Anne of Cleves and there is no doubt that the spirited young girl caught Henry's attentions. Kathryn's uncle probably encouraged the girl to respond to the King's attentions and saw it as a way to increase his own influence over the monarch. The Duke of Norfolk also took advantage of the debacle of the Anne of Cleves marriage as a chance to discredit his enemy, Thomas Cromwell. In fact, Cromwell was executed shortly after the marriage was nullified.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Sixteen days after he was free of Anne, Henry took his fifth wife, Kathryn Howard, on July 28, 1540. Henry was 49 and his bride was no older than 19.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">For all that can be said against this match, Kathryn did manage to lift the King's spirits. Henry had gained a lot of weight and was dealing with the ulcerated leg that was to pain him until his death. The vivacious young girl brought back some of Henry's zest for life. The King lavished gifts on his young wife and called her his 'rose without a thorn' and the 'very jewel of womanhood'.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">Less than a year into Kathryn's marriage, the rumors of her infidelity began. In a way, one couldn't blame her for seeking the company of handsome young men closer to her own age. But to do so, even if only in courtly flirtations, was dangerous for a Queen, especially one who came from a powerful family with many enemies. Kathryn didn't help matters much by appointing one of her admirers as her personal secretary.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular;">By November 1541, there was enough evidence against the Queen that Archbishop Cranmer informed the King of Kathryn's misconduct. At first Henry did not believe the accusations, but he agreed to allow further investigations into the matter. Enough evidence was gathered that the Queen had been promiscuous before her marriage and may have had liaisons after becoming Henry's wife. She was executed on the Tower Green on February 13, 1542 and laid to rest near her cousin Anne Boleyn in the Chapel of St. Peter ad Vincula at the Tower of London.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Born: 1512</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Married to King Henry VIII: 12 July 1543</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Queen's Closet, Hampton Court Palace</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Widowed: 28 January 1547</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Died: 5 September 1548</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />Sudeley Castle</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;">Buried: 5 September 1548</span><span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;"><br />St Mary's Chapel, Sudeley Castle</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Katherine Parr was the eldest daughter of Sir Thomas Parr and his wife Maud Green, both of whom were at the court of <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/henry8/">Henry VIII</a> in his early reign. Maud was a lady-in-waiting to Queen <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/aragon/">Catherine of Aragon</a> and named her daughter, born in 1512, after her. So, Henry VIII’s last wife was named after his first. Thomas Parr died in November 1517, leaving his three children, <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/wparr/">William</a>, Katherine and Anne in the care of their mother. Maud managed the children’s education and the family estates and must have left an impression on her daughter of the greater role an independent woman could have in society. The education that Maud arranged for the children was similar to that of other noble figures of the time and at least in the case of Katherine, it ignited a life-long passion for learning. She was fluent in French, Latin and Italian and began learning Spanish when she was Queen.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Katherine Parr’s first marriage was to Edward Borough, the son of Thomas, third Baron Borough of Gainsborough in 1529 when she was 17 years old. Edward died only a few years later, probably in early 1533. It was during this marriage that Katherine’s mother Maud died, in December 1531. Katherine’s second marriage was to John Neville, third Baron Latimer of Snape Castle in Yorkshire, whom she married in the summer of 1534 when he was 41 and she was 22. Latimer had two children from his previous marriages so Katherine also became a stepmother for the first time. During the Pilgrimage of Grace a rebel mob forced Latimer to join them and later took Katherine and her stepchildren hostage at the castle. Latimer was able to eventually secure their freedom and managed to escape arrest for his associations with the rebellion after it was finally put down.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Katherine’s ailing husband died in March 1543, leaving her a widow for the second time, now at the age of 31. It was around this time that Katherine was noticed by not only the King, but also <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/tomseymour/">Thomas Seymour</a>, brother of the late Queen <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/seymour/">Jane Seymour</a>. Katherine expressed her desire to marry Thomas Seymour after Latimer’s death, but the King’s request for her hand was one that Katherine felt it was her duty to accept. Katherine and Henry VIII were married on July 12th in the Queen’s closet at <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/places/hcp/index.html">Hampton Court Palace</a> in a small ceremony attended by about 20 people.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Katherine was interested in the reformed faith, making her enemies with the conservatives of Henry’s court. It was Katherine’s influence with the King and the Henry’s failing health that led to a plot against her in 1546 by the conservative faction. Katherine and her ladies were known to have had banned books which was grounds for arrest and execution on charges of heresy. To gain evidence against the Queen, <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/people/askew/">Anne Askew</a>, a well-known and active Protestant, was questioned and tortured, but refused to recant her faith or give evidence against Katherine and her ladies. However, there was enough other evidence against the Queen to issue a warrant for her arrest. The warrant was accidentally dropped and someone loyal to the Queen saw it and then quickly told her about it. This is a well-documented incident that has made its way into many historical fiction accounts. Sometimes the history itself is the best drama! After learning of the arrest warrant, Katherine was said to be very ill, either as a ruse to stall or from a genuine panic attack. Henry went to see her and chastised her for her outspokenness about the reformed religion and his feeling that she was forgetting her place by instructing him on such matters. Katherine’s response in her defense was that she was only arguing with him on these issues so she could be instructed by him, and to take his mind off other troubles. Playing to Henry’s ego no doubt helped and Katherine was forgiven.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Katherine was close with all three of her stepchildren as Henry’s wife and was personally involved in the educational program of the younger two, <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/elizabeth/">Elizabeth</a> and <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/edward/">Edward</a>. She was also a patron of the arts and music. Katherine’s own learning and academic achievements, as alluded to previously, were impressive, and in 1545, her book “Prayers or Meditations” became the first work published by an English Queen under her own name. Another book, “The Lamentation of a Sinner”, was published after Henry VIII’s death.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">Henry VIII died in January 1547 and Katherine had probably expected to play some role in the regency for the new nine-year-old king, Edward VI, but this was not to be. Only a few months after Henry’s death, Katherine secretly married Thomas Seymour, but the quickness and secret nature of the union caused a scandal. Katherine was still able to take guardianship of Princess Elizabeth and Seymour purchased the wardship of the king’s cousin, <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/jane/">Lady Jane Grey</a>. It was during this time that the rumors of a relationship between Elizabeth and Seymour arose and Elizabeth was sent to another household in the spring of 1548.</span></div>
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<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Geneva, Swiss, SunSans-Regular;">After three previous marriages and at the age of 36, Katherine was pregnant for the first time and in June 1548, she moved to <a href="http://tudorhistory.org/places/sudeley/">Sudeley Castle</a> in Gloucestershire to await the birth of her child. On August 30th she gave birth to a daughter named Mary. Katherine soon fell ill with puerperal fever, which was to claim her life in the morning hours of September 5th. Katherine was buried, with Lady Jane Grey as the chief mourner, in the chapel at Sudeley Castle, where the tomb can still be visited today.</span></div>
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Many historians and biographers mention that Catherine Howard was related in some way to Anne Boleyn. Historically, they are joined by a gruesome bond - they were the only two wives executed by King Henry VIII. Catherine married Henry just four years after Anne's execution; yet during those four years, he had married two other women (Jane Seymour and Anne of Cleves.)</div>
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Catherine and Anne were first cousins. Catherine's father, Lord Edmund Howard, was the brother of Anne Boleyn's mother, Lady Elizabeth Howard. Edmund and Elizabeth were the children of Thomas Howard, 2nd duke of Norfolk. However, despite their close familial ties, the two women never met. There are many obvious reasons for this - first of all, Anne was about fifteen years older than Catherine. Secondly, the Norfolk family was a tangled collection of cousins (far too many to list here) and, since Catherine was one of many children of a poor younger son, her status was relatively unimportant in the mid-1530s. Third, and perhaps most important, Anne Boleyn disliked her uncle Thomas Howard, the 3rd duke of Norfolk (and formerly earl of Surrey) - he was conniving, opportunistic, and arrogant. This perhaps affected her relationships with all her Norfolk cousins; the only family member she was noticeably close to was her brother, George.</div>
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Anne and Norfolk were never close and he only barely managed to hide his dislike while she was queen. When she was arrested and tried, he made haste to distance himself from her at all costs. He also attended her trial and passed judgment against her. His groveling was effective - and still worked four years later when yet another niece (Catherine Howard) was arrested. At Catherine's arrest, virtually every member of the Norfolk family was taken to the Tower - except the duke. His frantic letter to Henry VIII included insults of all his imprisoned relatives, most importantly the 'abominable deeds' of Anne and Catherine. He was certainly an unappealing character but, unlike so many others, he managed to survive in the treacherous Tudor court. Later imprisoned and with his goods seized by the king, Norfolk was condemned to death. Luckily, and ironically, Henry VIII died without signing the warrant for his execution.</div>
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